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Nov 11, 2013 10:17 AM
The state of California voted down affirmative action in 1996 and passed Proposition 209, which banned state schools from considering race, gender, ethnicity or national origins in their admissions processes.
So, the University accepts their students based on educational merit? Those fucking scumbags!!! I vote QQ black students. If you want to get into UCLA, how about getting better grades and test scores...
Nov 11, 2013 10:17am
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ernest_t_bass

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Nov 11, 2013 10:20 AM
Affirmative action needs to die.
Nov 11, 2013 10:20am
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Nov 11, 2013 10:22 AM
like_that;1533674 wrote:If you want to get into UCLA, how about getting better grades and test scores...
counterpoint: blacks tend to come from urban environments with poor school systems and are at an academic disadvantage compared to white/asian applicants. On the other hand, what exactly is gained (for the university and enrolled students) from diversity?
Nov 11, 2013 10:22am
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Nov 11, 2013 10:22 AM
ernest_t_bass;1533675 wrote:Affirmative action needs to die.
+1
Nov 11, 2013 10:22am
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Nov 11, 2013 10:22 AM
In an interview with the Daily Bruin, Stokes said he almost dropped out of UCLA during his first year because he felt isolated and uncomfortable. Although he eventually found his niche in the minority community, he said he wanted to raise awareness about the school's lack of diversity before the university's application deadline on Nov. 30.
So blacks are only comfortable around other blacks? Sounds exactly like something blacks accuse whites of.
Nov 11, 2013 10:22am
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MontyBrunswick

Nov 11, 2013 10:26 AM
Is UCLA Wrong?
Wrong about what? Following the guidelines set in place by the State of California?
Nov 11, 2013 10:26am
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Nov 11, 2013 10:27 AM
dlazz;1533684 wrote:Wrong about what? Following the guidelines set in place by the State of California?
Funny that when AA was rejected, black student #s went down. That is a very telling statistic.

Also, someone in the comments noted that whites are next to last in number of students enrolled at this same school.
Nov 11, 2013 10:27am
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MontyBrunswick

Nov 11, 2013 10:28 AM
It's really a double-edged sword. Either you can follow affirmative action and admit students who otherwise wouldn't be admitted, causing your graduation percentage and dropout rates to increase (hurt university prestige) or you throw affirmative action out of the window and only admit students who academically excel (help university prestige).

There's no happy medium.
Nov 11, 2013 10:28am
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Nov 11, 2013 10:31 AM
I normally give california shit for living in their own little delusional world, but props to them for passing prop 209. I am sure they will abolish it once there is enough QQing though, and then admit undeserving students.
Nov 11, 2013 10:31am
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Nov 11, 2013 11:01 AM
QQ, Black UCLA students, QQ.

How on earth do you not feel comfortable, in 2013, around so many of a different race?

Never in my entire life have I ever felt discomfort being around blacks, asians, whatever's.
Nov 11, 2013 11:01am
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Nov 11, 2013 11:08 AM
Mohican00;1533678 wrote:counterpoint: blacks tend to come from urban environments with poor school systems and are at an academic disadvantage compared to white/asian applicants. On the other hand, what exactly is gained (for the university and enrolled students) from diversity?
There are other institutions out there for them. They want into UCLA? Go get a free education at a 2-year school, get your grades up, re-apply.
Nov 11, 2013 11:08am
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Nov 11, 2013 11:10 AM
SportsAndLady;1533703 wrote:QQ, Black UCLA students, QQ.

How on earth do you not feel comfortable, in 2013, around so many of a different race?

Never in my entire life have I ever felt discomfort being around blacks, asians, whatever's.
I always feel uncomfortable around Asians. They're the worst.

(That was a joke)
Nov 11, 2013 11:10am
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Nov 11, 2013 11:14 AM
SportsAndLady;1533703 wrote:QQ, Black UCLA students, QQ.

How on earth do you not feel comfortable, in 2013, around so many of a different race?

Never in my entire life have I ever felt discomfort being around blacks, asians, whatever's.
Agreed-- this was the intent of integration in the 60's, and imo, it worked...but it appears not for everyone.
Nov 11, 2013 11:14am
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Nov 11, 2013 11:22 AM
Mohican00;1533678 wrote:counterpoint: blacks tend to come from urban environments with poor school systems and are at an academic disadvantage compared to white/asian applicants. On the other hand, what exactly is gained (for the university and enrolled students) from diversity?
Another jurisdiction, I believe it was Texas attempted to solve this issue by guaranteeing admission to students that finished at the top "X" percentage of a public school in the state. That way even if someone is from a disadvantaged district they have a means of admission.
Nov 11, 2013 11:22am
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Nov 11, 2013 12:10 PM
Mohican00;1533678 wrote:counterpoint: blacks tend to come from urban environments with poor school systems and are at an academic disadvantage compared to white/asian applicants. On the other hand, what exactly is gained (for the university and enrolled students) from diversity?

counterpoint: if they come from lesser school systems is it really beneficial to them to be accepted to a university they can't handle?
Nov 11, 2013 12:10pm
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Nov 11, 2013 12:55 PM
lesser school system does not imply they can't handle it. They may struggle in some areas, but that's not telling of perseverance
Nov 11, 2013 12:55pm
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Nov 11, 2013 12:58 PM
It doesn't, but what happens to those that can't? I'm not sure what is so beneficial to any party that sets someone up to fail. What happens to that person? And it happens probably a lot more than many realize. By focusing on the group some people lose track of the actual persons in the group.
Nov 11, 2013 12:58pm
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Nov 11, 2013 1:06 PM
Mohican00;1533760 wrote:lesser school system does not imply they can't handle it. They may struggle in some areas, but that's not telling of perseverance
If they come from a lesser school system and don't meet the standards, why do you think they deserve the opportunity to persevere based on the color of their skin?
Nov 11, 2013 1:06pm
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Nov 11, 2013 1:13 PM
I'd say the success stories (no matter how few there are) are worth it. My guess is that AA attrition would be about the same at most colleges from CC's to UCLA
Nationally, a quarter of white high school graduates were considered fully academically prepared for college, according to the ACT’s annual report released in August; only five percent of black high school graduates were considered fully ready.
http://bridgemi.com/2013/09/mlks-dream-not-yet-realized-at-college-graduation-its-not-even-close/
Nov 11, 2013 1:13pm
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MontyBrunswick

Nov 11, 2013 1:21 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1533716 wrote:Another jurisdiction, I believe it was Texas attempted to solve this issue by guaranteeing admission to students that finished at the top "X" percentage of a public school in the state. That way even if someone is from a disadvantaged district they have a means of admission.
That's a poor way of handling it.

I don't see the problem with the way they're doing it now. If someone is dying to get into UCLA and they don't make the stanrdards, there's nothing preventing them from going to a community college and then transferring. Standards wouldn't be as high, and if they happen to fail out they wouldn't be in as much debt.
Nov 11, 2013 1:21pm
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Nov 11, 2013 1:28 PM
"I'd say the success stories (no matter how few there are) are worth it."

I see your point regarding celebrating success, but what happens to the failure stories? This is a very underrated topic about how some people are used for political purposes and are proverbially thrown to the wolves.

Nov 11, 2013 1:28pm
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Nov 11, 2013 2:50 PM
It is too easy to propagate the stereotype of black students aren't qualified to attend UCLA, unless they're on an athletic scholarship. The qualified black students have more incentive to attend an equally respectable private school that provides financial aid (e.g. Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, etc.) and a more diverse student body.

Their cousins up in Berkeley have the same problem. Proposition 209 has resulted in the UC system seeking out international and out of state students for extra tuition revenue.
Nov 11, 2013 2:50pm
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Nov 11, 2013 4:52 PM
"So don't be surprised that we have become rebellious for what has happened to us, when every black student in class feels like Rosa Parks on the bus."

I stopped watching the video at this point. Maybe they should open a damn book before they compare their situation to discrimination in the 1950's. Rosa Parks was forced to sit in a different part of the bus and probably endured threats and violence the whole time. These guys are bitching because they feel lonely in class at their university. It's not that difficult to make friends or feel accepted at college if you try just a little bit. Apparently, they can only do that with other black guys.
Nov 11, 2013 4:52pm
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Nov 11, 2013 6:04 PM
What a dumb racist black man. Go fuck yourself sir.
Nov 11, 2013 6:04pm