O-Trap;1533562 wrote:Who the hell gets hurt feelz over a difference of a point? They kick the PAT and it's an even 60-0. Does little Johnny's self-esteem take a smaller hit if his team loses by 60 instead of 61?

If you cry about losing by that many points, (a) recognize that the other team was likely AT LEAST 60 points better than you, and (b) get better, so it doesn't happen again.

Sweet holy fucking Moses ...

[INDENT]No big deal. It's the playoffs, where every game could be their last. They were playing an inferior opponent. That opponent apparently was committing unsportsmanlikes left and right. The kids decided to show them up a bit at the end.

Whatever. Only pussies make a big deal out of things like that. [/INDENT]

HitsRus;1533649 wrote:I don't think anybody is making a big deal, and there are certainly worse things in unsportsmanlike conduct. But the OP asked some questions concerning the play and the discussion is about whether it is unsportsmanlike to go for 2 up 60 points late in the game, ...and is the coach 'at fault'? The answer to both of those questions is yes. You can't hold your players back from the course of normal play....but scoring superfluous points just for the sake of scoring them is not necessary. Whether the other team was unsportsmanlike is not the issue...you are responsible for your own behavior.

Is it justified to be unsportsmanlike if the other team is being unsportsmanlike? I guess that is determined by your own values and the situation.

I don't see anybody with hurt feelz here.

hasbeen;1533698 wrote:Do you think a team should continue to run their entire offense(passing, counters, screen, draw, trick plays, etc) when they're up 60-0? Treat the other team like a 'worthy adversary' and score 120 points? Maybe more. Intentionally running up the score is poor sportsmanship.

dlazz;1533700 wrote:I'm not o-trap, but I think it's incredibly unfair for the backups to come in and have to play conservative. If you leave your starters in and blow out a team, that's unsportsmanlike...but putting your backups in and running your offense as usual is OK with me.

Enforcer;1533583 wrote:I hope Your not talking about Trimble here , because Our starters were out in the 3rd quarter

Heretic;1533718 wrote:Yeah. You should give every possible kid the opportunity to play in the event of a blowout, but to tell back-ups and underclassmen getting actual varsity time to not try because the other team's too bad to stop them, to me, goes against the spirit of competition. If anything, I'd be more annoyed by that, because it's kind of this condescending "awwww....you're so bad that we have to stop ourselves from scoring because you can't..." thing.

se-alum;1533723 wrote:I don't really disagree, but I also think you can get your backups valuable time before it becomes a full blown blowout. It's pretty easy to mix them in when you get a good lead.

dlazz;1533700 wrote:I'm not o-trap, but I think it's incredibly unfair for the backups to come in and have to play conservative. If you leave your starters in and blow out a team, that's unsportsmanlike...but putting your backups in and running your offense as usual is OK with me.

Heretic;1533718 wrote:Yeah. You should give every possible kid the opportunity to play in the event of a blowout, but to tell back-ups and underclassmen getting actual varsity time to not try because the other team's too bad to stop them, to me, goes against the spirit of competition. If anything, I'd be more annoyed by that, because it's kind of this condescending "awwww....you're so bad that we have to stop ourselves from scoring because you can't..." thing.

se-alum;1533723 wrote:I don't really disagree, but I also think you can get your backups valuable time with a full playbook before it becomes a full blown blowout. It's pretty easy to mix them in when you get a good lead. Like I said though, I don't have a problem with continuing to play straight up football, but fakes and trick plays are really unnecessary.

Heretic;1533726 wrote:True, but sometimes, the other team is at a level where the back-ups do just as well as the starters. Was at a 50+ point blowout this year where the score was something like 48-20 at the half (34-20, but got two touchdowns in the final few minutes of the second to make it lop-sided). Winning team's coaches did one drive with at least mainly starters in the third and then went full back-up after that. Finished the quarter with 26 more points (meaning the back-ups had three TDs in 8 or so minutes) and the game ended with the fourth quarter shortened to six minutes and the winning team taking three knees and punting on their one possession of that period. Game was at the losing team's place and their announcers/spotters in the press box were annoyed because of both the shortening and the other team not trying in that period.

It was a league game, so it had to be on the schedule. It's just that some times, the disparity is so wide between teams that games can get to be blowouts no matter what the superior team does. Not a fan of leaving starters in to destroy outmanned opponents, but when you put back-ups in and they're scoring just as easily, at some point people need to just say that the problem is the fact their team isn't capable of competing with a good team's JVs, let alone their varsity.

hasbeen;1533736 wrote:Like se said below, key back-ups will be put in with the first team to get their reps. The other back-ups get to run the full offense in JV games. When the JV team enters the game in a blow out, the focus should be on the run game(which is the groundwork for most of the offense barring a few exceptions).



I never said stop trying to score. I just said you should be running the base plays that your younger guys need to work on. A simple Dave(power), has a ton of variations depending on the alignment of the defense. The younger guys need experience picking up those different looks moreso than running the more advanced and fancy things the experience guys are running. Now, I'm talking as a coach. Before I can get too complex in the offense I need my youngins to understand the various adjustments to my most basic plays because the entire offense is based off of those plays.



I agree 100%. I still feel passing(unless it is your base offense like Kenton) should x'd once the game is in hand. One reason is incomplete passes will stop the clock and extend the game.

I think an old method of handling offensive subs in a blow out is: 1st team O with 2nd team RB and WRs. Then 1st Team O-Line with 2nd team QB and 2nd team Skill guys. Then 2nd team O-Line with 2nd Team QB and 3rd team Skill guys. Move forward as such.

slcoach;1533753 wrote:Looks like at least 1 starter was still playing in the fourth quarter...The last TD was scored by the same player that scored the 2nd one.

hasbeen;1533736 wrote:Like se said below, key back-ups will be put in with the first team to get their reps. The other back-ups get to run the full offense in JV games. When the JV team enters the game in a blow out, the focus should be on the run game(which is the groundwork for most of the offense barring a few exceptions).



I never said stop trying to score. I just said you should be running the base plays that your younger guys need to work on. A simple Dave(power), has a ton of variations depending on the alignment of the defense. The younger guys need experience picking up those different looks moreso than running the more advanced and fancy things the experience guys are running. Now, I'm talking as a coach. Before I can get too complex in the offense I need my youngins to understand the various adjustments to my most basic plays because the entire offense is based off of those plays.



I agree 100%. I still feel passing(unless it is your base offense like Kenton) should x'd once the game is in hand. One reason is incomplete passes will stop the clock and extend the game.

I think an old method of handling offensive subs in a blow out is: 1st team O with 2nd team RB and WRs. Then 1st Team O-Line with 2nd team QB and 2nd team Skill guys. Then 2nd team O-Line with 2nd Team QB and 3rd team Skill guys. Move forward as such.

Enforcer;1533807 wrote:So it's ok to keep passing in the 4th Q as long as its all You do, but a Balanced team doesn't get the same treatment?? How is that fair?? This the playoff!! Every team that made it didn't get there by chance.

Also I never said the 2 pr conversion was necessary, I just said it really wasn't the coaches fault

Enforcer;1533808 wrote:Also I would like to add its been very nice to have an actual discussion on the OC without someone crying about getting their feelings hurt or lots of name calling

hasbeen;1533812 wrote:stop calling me out, you needledick.

/OC'd

Heretic;1533816 wrote:Needledick might be the kindest insult in the history of this site.

hasbeen;1533810 wrote:I never blamed the coach. In fact, my first post was insulting those that were going to blame the coach.

When I say 'base offense', I'm talking about the plays your entire offense revolves around. Power run game, finesse run game, quick passing game. I still stand by the point that once we get this point where it's a 'blowout', the kids who are in should be the JVs. They can run their passing game during JV games. Keep the ball on the ground, stay in bounds, keep the clock moving.

Enforcer;1533807 wrote:So it's ok to keep passing in the 4th Q as long as its all You do, but a Balanced team doesn't get the same treatment?? How is that fair?? This the playoff!! Every team that made it didn't get there by chance.

Also I never said the 2 pr conversion was necessary, I just said it really wasn't the coaches fault

hasbeen;1533810 wrote:I never blamed the coach. In fact, my first post was insulting those that were going to blame the coach.

When I say 'base offense', I'm talking about the plays your entire offense revolves around. Power run game, finesse run game, quick passing game. I still stand by the point that once we get this point where it's a 'blowout', the kids who are in should be the JVs. They can run their passing game during JV games. Keep the ball on the ground, stay in bounds, keep the clock moving.

Ironman92;1532809 wrote:An area hi skool football team was winning 59-0 and instead of kicking the XP the players called an audible and ran a trick play for a 2 point conversion to win 61-0

How much fault is the coach?....he called for an XP and the kids did the audible themselves but to me the coach is partially to blame. IMO as a coach you emphasize sportsmanship and once the game is in hand the kids know to do nothing that could be considered Busch league.....also the coach should have the respect of his players not to change the call.

All this being said....there could be details to this particular situation.....but to me it's about 85/15 players/coach fault

Enforcer was probably there and likely has more to the story.