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Nov 10, 2013 9:26 AM
Trimble...that explains it all...
Nov 10, 2013 9:26am
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Nov 10, 2013 9:44 AM
Woody woulda went for 3
Nov 10, 2013 9:44am
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Nov 10, 2013 10:18 AM
Enforcer;1532955 wrote:Also Tou wanna talk sportsmanship and Busch league, How about the 12 unsportsmanlike penaltys or the fact that Beallsvilles starting QB was ejected from the game for a cheap shot then cursing at the refs!!
That's why I singled you out.....I knew you'd have some extra info. 12 unsportsmanlike? What were they doing? They sound like excellent sports!
Nov 10, 2013 10:18am
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Nov 10, 2013 10:30 AM
sportchampps;1533005 wrote:Woody woulda went for 3
Harrelson?
Nov 10, 2013 10:30am
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Nov 10, 2013 10:32 AM
Running up the score is poor sportsmanship, and going for 2 when up by 60 points is definitely the ultimate.....'legal' taunting. As a coach of youth leagues for over 20 years, I would be abhorred if my team did that on their own, and yes, I would take 100% responsibility. That team is my responsibility, and how they conduct themselves reflects on me.
Sorry to inject 'politics' here...but this is exactly the problem we have with the current administration in Washington, where the buck stops everywhere but the head guy's desk. When you abdicate responsibility, the underlings go off on their own, and this is why you see multiple failures of leadership over and over.....IRS, NSA, Benghazi, ACA, the 'shutdown', the sequester etc etc etc.....and I fully expect this to continue because the guy at the top is more about deflecting blame than in leadership and responsibility.
If the coach of this team expects his team to act and play with a certain decorum, then he needs to act appropriately such that stuff like this doesn't happen again.

Personally, I would not start the player who went off on his own to violate a team rule.....providing there was a rule to begin with, playoffs and all, depending on what kind of example the coach wants to set. He'd not be announced as a starter, and he'd be sittting for a series of downs at least. You are dealing with youth, who do make mistakes...but do need correction, and the trick is to find the proper balance in the punishment......That is, if you are a coach that takes your proper responsibility, and you value sportsmanship.
Nov 10, 2013 10:32am
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Nov 10, 2013 10:53 AM
HitsRus;1533018 wrote:Running up the score is poor sportsmanship, and going for 2 when up by 60 points is definitely the ultimate.....'legal' taunting. As a coach of youth leagues for over 20 years, I would be abhorred if my team did that on their own, and yes, I would take 100% responsibility. That team is my responsibility, and how they conduct themselves reflects on me.
Sorry to inject 'politics' here...but this is exactly the problem we have with the current administration in Washington, where the buck stops everywhere but the head guy's desk. When you abdicate responsibility, the underlings go off on their own, and this is why you see multiple failures of leadership over and over.....IRS, NSA, Benghazi, ACA, the 'shutdown', the sequester etc etc etc.....and I fully expect this to continue because the guy at the top is more about deflecting blame than in leadership and responsibility.
If the coach of this team expects his team to act and play with a certain decorum, then he needs to act appropriately such that stuff like this doesn't happen again.

Personally, I would not start the player who went off on his own to violate a team rule.....providing there was a rule to begin with, playoffs and all, depending on what kind of example the coach wants to set. He'd not be announced as a starter, and he'd be sittting for a series of downs at least. You are dealing with youth, who do make mistakes...but do need correction, and the trick is to find the proper balance in the punishment......That is, if you are a coach that takes your proper responsibility, and you value sportsmanship.
Good post
Nov 10, 2013 10:53am
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Nov 10, 2013 11:44 AM
hasbeen;1532896 wrote:the coach isn't at fault. the kids did it. quit trying to find a reason to blame somebody else besides "mommy's precious baby." fuck this world.
Thank you. I was beginning to lose my bearings and slip into this world of flowers and lollipops.

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Nov 10, 2013 11:44am
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Nov 10, 2013 11:50 AM
If this was a rivalry game, I even encourage it.
Nov 10, 2013 11:50am
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Nov 10, 2013 12:20 PM
sigh..unfortunately this was my alma mater who got stomped last night.

As for Trimble, stay classy. You'll get yours next week vs CCHS
Nov 10, 2013 12:20pm
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Nov 10, 2013 12:48 PM
Pick6;1533053 wrote:sigh..unfortunately this was my alma mater who got stomped last night.

As for Trimble, stay classy. You'll get yours next week vs CCHS
The same CCHS Who stuggled till the 4th quarter to beat a team that finished 3rd in Pur league?? LOL
Nov 10, 2013 12:48pm
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Nov 10, 2013 12:52 PM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1532978 wrote:Did they run a fake or audible to a normal formation? If they audibled to a normal formation, coach should have called a timeout and chewed their ass.
They ran the fake, they were in kicking formation ball was hiked to the holder who then tossed the ball over His head to the would be kicker Who ran to the right and in for 2.
Like I said this was the 2nd team that was in and ran this play its not like it was our first team players
Nov 10, 2013 12:52pm
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Nov 10, 2013 12:57 PM
Ironman92;1533013 wrote:That's why I singled you out.....I knew you'd have some extra info. 12 unsportsmanlike? What were they doing? They sound like excellent sports!
Cheap shots and Taunting while getting beat by 30!!
Nov 10, 2013 12:57pm
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Nov 10, 2013 12:59 PM
said_aouita;1532963 wrote:A few laps? Obviously the coach didn't care if in his mind a few laps is considered punishment
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Your right, what was I thinking!! A public hanging of the kids is scheduled for high noon Tuesday!!

Some of these posts crack Me up
Nov 10, 2013 12:59pm
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Nov 10, 2013 1:05 PM
Enforcer;1533061 wrote:The same CCHS Who stuggled till the 4th quarter to beat a team that finished 3rd in Pur league?? LOL
OVAC > TVC. If you somehow manage to get by CCHS, Shadyside will get you. Take it to the bank.
Enforcer;1533069 wrote:Cheap shots and Taunting while getting beat by 30!!
Yeah, because it is soooo uncommon for kids to lose control over their emotions during their last game ever.
Nov 10, 2013 1:05pm
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Nov 10, 2013 1:12 PM
Enforcer;1533064 wrote:They ran the fake, they were in kicking formation ball was hiked to the holder who then tossed the ball over His head to the would be kicker Who ran to the right and in for 2.
Like I said this was the 2nd team that was in and ran this play its not like it was our first team players
The LSU play
Nov 10, 2013 1:12pm
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Nov 10, 2013 1:13 PM
Enforcer;1533069 wrote:Cheap shots and Taunting while getting beat by 30!!
At any point should the officials speak with the HC and tell them to knock it off?
Nov 10, 2013 1:13pm
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Nov 10, 2013 2:22 PM
^^^ nope...their responsibility is to enforce the rules of the game....assess unsportsmanlike penalties where applicable, ejections if necessary.
Nov 10, 2013 2:22pm
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Nov 10, 2013 2:22 PM
Enforcer;1533064 wrote:They ran the fake, they were in kicking formation ball was hiked to the holder who then tossed the ball over His head to the would be kicker Who ran to the right and in for 2.
Like I said this was the 2nd team that was in and ran this play its not like it was our first team players
Doesn't matter if it was the 3rd team, it's still pretty low.
Nov 10, 2013 2:22pm
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Nov 10, 2013 2:27 PM
Like I said this was the 2nd team that was in and ran this play its not like it was our first team players
your high school team has a second team for extra points?....and they audibled????....and then they executed the play???...against another playoff team???


I'm calling bullshit on that.
Nov 10, 2013 2:27pm
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Nov 10, 2013 2:31 PM
to be fair, while Beallsville was technically a playoff team, they weren't really a "playoff team". Obviously indicated by the score. Benefit of the new 7th division. They did a good job this season with what they had. Dressed under 20 players.
Nov 10, 2013 2:31pm
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Nov 10, 2013 3:28 PM
Hi Scoo Footbawl iz serious biznezz
Nov 10, 2013 3:28pm
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Nov 10, 2013 3:36 PM
Pick6;1533074 wrote:OVAC > TVC. If you somehow manage to get by CCHS, Shadyside will get you. Take it to the bank.

Yeah, because it is soooo uncommon for kids to lose control over their emotions during their last game ever.
I didn't say it wasn't uncommon , some one asked why the penaltys , I just answered it. Some of the penaltys were bush league, should have never been called

and Your right Shadyside might beat us, eventually someone will, and that's ok if Shadyside don't get us Maria Stein will, they will win the title in div 7 this year
Nov 10, 2013 3:36pm
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Nov 10, 2013 3:40 PM
HitsRus;1533153 wrote:your high school team has a second team for extra points?....and they audibled????....and then they executed the play???...against another playoff team???


I'm calling bullshit on that.
you can call whatever You want it was the 1st team line , 2nd team holder and kicker.
We have 52 kids on Our team , Beallsville has 21 and 1 was ejected in the 1st half
Nov 10, 2013 3:40pm
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Nov 10, 2013 3:45 PM
Ironman92;1533079 wrote:The LSU play

AYes the LSU play
Nov 10, 2013 3:45pm
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Nov 10, 2013 6:23 PM
I'm content with going for two. Who gives a fuck. It's high school football.
Nov 10, 2013 6:23pm