ZWICK 4 PREZ;1525500 wrote:Yeah... which means multiple denominations. I was trying to read in the article where it said the Catholics had a problem with the athiest's but the Baptists and Methodists didn't.

Fly4Fun;1525503 wrote:We all know it was really the Lutherans.

Manhattan Buckeye;1525505 wrote:^^

Then the atheist group can go after other religious groups and not the proverbial low-hanging fruit (I hate that term). There are many religious groups that engage in charitable actions and act insular, yet for some reason this "group" chose this one, and does not appear to be involved in others....that attracts my spidey-sense so to speak.

We have to live with different cultures and beliefs. I will admit I got a bit upset the first time my wife and I met a business person from a different culture and he wouldn't shake my wife's hand or touch her. I got over it in 10 minutes. I wasn't butthurt enough (or to heretic's definition a bitch) to complain on the internet. By no means does that mean I accepted the behavior - I tolerated it.

Upstate Atheists is actively involved with other local charities and volunteer events and, according to their social media director

Among the recent posts on the group's Facebook page are links promoting a coat and jacket drive for the homeless and a November 16 "feed the hungry" event at another local soup kitchen, which is run by Daily Bread Ministries.

Fly4Fun;1525503 wrote:We all know it was really the Lutherans.

Manhattan Buckeye;1525513 wrote:"But to your point, this group does get involved with other charities. They aren't trying to make a political point or stick it in someone's face."

The name of the group is a political or religious point. If they want to be neutral call themselves the Neutral upstate charity - and have a beige flag.

The question goes back to them - why do they want to use the term Atheist to describe them when there are perfectly other ways to name the group and thier mission?

Manhattan Buckeye;1525513 wrote:"But to your point, this group does get involved with other charities. They aren't trying to make a political point or stick it in someone's face."

The name of the group is a political or religious point. If they want to be neutral call themselves the Neutral upstate charity - and have a beige flag.

The question goes back to them - why do they want to use the term Atheist to describe them when there are perfectly other ways to name the group and thier mission?

Heretic;1525520 wrote:Because they are a group of Atheists and, therefore, selected a name that represents the purpose of their group?

Much like a church group tends to name themselves in a way that indicates they're a part of their church.

Manhattan Buckeye;1525532 wrote:Well congrats heretic! that is the smartest thing you've said in 6 months. But that group shouldn't expect everyone, particularly a religious group, to accept them. Because their purpose is to be atheists, not with the group.

Manhattan Buckeye;1525532 wrote:Well congrats heretic! that is the smartest thing you've said in 6 months. But that group shouldn't expect everyone, particularly a religious group, to accept them. Because their purpose is to be atheists, not with the group.

Heretic;1525533 wrote:Well, at least that means I've exceeded anything you've said in this thread.

Manhattan Buckeye;1525354 wrote:Their group. Their rules. People can call them idiots, and people calling the people calling them idiots, idiots...have just as strong of an argument. I'm not Catholic, I don't intend on going to a Catholic charity and bitch that they don't want me around.

The atheist group antagonized the thing...just because you attack assholes doesn't mean you're not an asshole yourself.

Manhattan Buckeye;1525543 wrote:You mean being correct and honest?

More negative reps, and lose your mod status.

No personal offense meant, I just spent 2 hours listening to a CLE class (fly4fun will know what that means) from a guy that was clearly intoxicated (my guess...painkillers).

On the other hand, if defending, you know if the laws and the Constitution are archaic, you too can be a CLE provider!

Fly4Fun;1525503 wrote:We all know it was really the Lutherans.

Manhattan Buckeye;1525574 wrote:"It's pretty clear cut, if the act of helping people is more important than evangelizing or whatever other secondary benefits come from running something like a soup kitchen then you'll accept any and all volunteers (as long as they are actually helping and not being disruptive or whatever)."

But they don't.

queencitybuckeye;1525582 wrote:If they follow the bible, they do.

Manhattan Buckeye;1525574 wrote:"It's pretty clear cut, if the act of helping people is more important than evangelizing or whatever other secondary benefits come from running something like a soup kitchen then you'll accept any and all volunteers (as long as they are actually helping and not being disruptive or whatever)."

But they don't. And I explained in plain details above...if you aren't part of the organization, you aren't part of the organization. That only happens 100% time and in reality. You can't just hop in and join a cause.

queencitybuckeye;1525582 wrote:If they follow the bible, they do.

I Wear Pants;1525597 wrote:Yes, yes you can. There's plenty of organizations that allow and truly appreciate/rely upon this sort of volunteering. If the soup kitchen didn't have any use for additional helpers or something that'd be one thing. But they seem to have turned them away merely for their lack of sharing the same religion. You seem to not understand that while they have every right to not disallow whoever they want from helping that it strips them of any credibility if they claim their most important goal is helping people since their actions are counter to that.

Manhattan Buckeye;1525604 wrote:English?

No you don't. To my knowledge the Bible has nothing to say about who you are allowed to let into your church, and being pretty much a true atheist but someone that has respect to religious organizations, they have their rules. This thread began with the idea that someone could just enter into another's private organization and expect acceptance.


Yet somehow I'm the bad guy.