Christian Soup Kitchen turns away atheist volunteers (Sleeper rant material)

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Oct 29, 2013 10:36 AM
Tiernan;1525409 wrote:A Chritian's group is not "theirs" by a much larger perspective its Christ's group. And although I'm a fallen Catoleigh I do remember that Christ professed a message of "inclusion" amongst all peoples. This particular group of Christians are big fat fkg hypocrites. Hooray for the Atheists on calling their asses on it.
That's a good point. Not only are these Christians jerks, but also horrible examples of their faith. Instead of taking the "through Master Jebus, everyone can be saved" policy of inclusion their religion mandates, they not only excluded the others, but referred to them as devils, ignoring the "judge not, lest ye be judged yourself" part.

Such low-bred hypocrisy from a flock deluded into thinking they are superior. For shame, for shame. And to think people here are dumb enough to fall for their line of bullshit.
Oct 29, 2013 10:36am
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Oct 29, 2013 10:39 AM
Who is falling for it Heretic? We're simply calling the other people out for being jerks. Which they are

Who is dumb here besides you? negative reps and lose your mod status.
Oct 29, 2013 10:39am
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Oct 29, 2013 10:41 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;1525354 wrote:
.just because you attack assholes doesn't mean you're not an asshole yourself.

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Oct 29, 2013 10:41am
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Oct 29, 2013 10:41 AM
I'll up the ante. If heretic you can find a post of mine that stated even remotely where I advocated the point of view of the religious group - i will stop posting here forever.
Oct 29, 2013 10:41am
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Oct 29, 2013 10:45 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;1525448 wrote:You can't be this stupid. My argument is that private organizations can do what they want and live by their rules, even if we find them odious (because many groups might find other viewpoints similarly odious). Perhaps I should move back to 1776 when we had this type of point of view. You know, American?

Mods, take this to the politics board, apparently we really are in a strange world right now when the Constitution doesn't matter.
I don't know (and don't have the interest in finding out) who is putting forth the position that these "Christians" don't have the right to exclude anyone who doesn't share their beliefs. Wasn't Heretic. Wasn't me. OTOH, you seem to want to deny me my right to find these "Christians" to be the despicable human beings that all indications make them IMO.
Oct 29, 2013 10:45am
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Oct 29, 2013 10:50 AM
Why do you keep claiming this is political or related to our Constitution?

No one is advocating the government get involved here.

This is a humanitarian topic about how an organization based upon the teachings of one of the greatest humanitarian figures (whether you believe he really existed or not) is acting in complete disregard of those principles but chose instead to act in a divisive manner.

Once again, I'm not necessarily against organized religion. I think it (organized religions) can do good things through charitable works. Furthermore, I think there are individuals who find purpose and a sense of community through being a member.

However, I completely disagree when these so called forgiving, inclusive, loving, accepting philosophies are perverted and used to be divisive instead of furthering the real purpose of the betterment of man kind.

I'm not advocating that they be forced to allow the atheists. However, I will call them out for hypocrisy when I see it.

This isn't a constitutional issue as the government isn't interfering nor is anyone calling for them to.

Just the same as I am allowed to voice my opinion on this topic doesn't make this a speech issue until the government tries to interfere.
Oct 29, 2013 10:50am
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Oct 29, 2013 10:50 AM
"OTOH, you seem to want to deny me my right to find these "Christians" to be the despicable human beings that all indications make them IMO."

negative reps...I have been focusing on the other side. Same ante up with heretic. If you can find where I said the "Christian" group wasn't despicable and rather deserved praise - I'll stop posting. I never said you can't criticize them. What I said is that you can't expect them to accept you.
Oct 29, 2013 10:50am
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Oct 29, 2013 10:51 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;1525454 wrote:Who is falling for it Heretic? We're simply calling the other people out for being jerks. Which they are

Who is dumb here besides you? negative reps and lose your mod status.
The guy going on rants about the Constitution when others are mocking how a supposedly "everyone can be saved!" inclusive faith is both excluding a group and "on-the-record" demeaning them? In other words (to spell it out), going against the very tenets they supposedly are supposed to look at as the heart of their belief.
Oct 29, 2013 10:51am
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Oct 29, 2013 10:54 AM
Simple solution to this.

Make two different lines giving out the soup. Going to Heaven Line and Forever damnation line.
Oct 29, 2013 10:54am
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Oct 29, 2013 10:54 AM
Fly4Fun;1525461 wrote:Why do you keep claiming this is political or related to our Constitution?

No one is advocating the government get involved here.
This. MB and Gut are the only ones going on about politics, the government, the Constitution, etc. as opposed to the inherent hypocrisy of a Christian group excluding others due to differing beliefs rather than treating them like brothers like their supposed holy book encourages.

Apparently some people forgot about the whole Good Samaritan part of the Bible and just focus on the Old Testament parts where Asshole God just tosses around leprosy and death to anyone who disagreed with him. For shame...
Oct 29, 2013 10:54am
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Oct 29, 2013 10:55 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;1525462 wrote:"OTOH, you seem to want to deny me my right to find these "Christians" to be the despicable human beings that all indications make them IMO."

negative reps...I have been focusing on the other side. Same ante up with heretic. If you can find where I said the "Christian" group wasn't despicable and rather deserved praise - I'll stop posting. I never said you can't criticize them. What I said is that you can't expect them to accept you.
According to the bible, I can expect exactly that.
Oct 29, 2013 10:55am
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Oct 29, 2013 10:57 AM
"This is a humanitarian topic about how an organization based upon the teachings of one of the greatest humanitarian figures (whether you believe he really existed or not) is acting in complete disregard of those principles but chose instead to act in a divisive manner."

Again generally I agree, but organizations are divisive unfortunately in many ways, that is typically why they are private organizations.
Oct 29, 2013 10:57am
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Oct 29, 2013 10:59 AM
If someone forms a club in his basement dedicated to love of cookies and I don't like cookies, why would I expect his group to accomodate me?

Religious fundamentalists and organized atheists are two sides of the same coin - a community of like minded who use events (i.e. a soup kitchen) or a publicity stunt (i.e. an "outraged" story in the paper) to advance thier agenda.
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Oct 29, 2013 11:01 AM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1525472 wrote:If someone forms a club in his basement dedicated to love of cookies and I don't like cookies, why would I expect his group to accomodate me?
What if the charter of the cookie club specifically emphasizes that the club exists not just for lovers of cookies, but also for those not yet decided on cookies and for those who actively hate cookies?
Oct 29, 2013 11:01am
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Oct 29, 2013 11:03 AM
"due to differing beliefs"

But they aren't differing beliefs, the one doesn't have any. So why do they want to join?
Oct 29, 2013 11:03am
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Oct 29, 2013 11:07 AM
Apparently Catholics aren't missionaries? Most groups would see it as an opp to enlighten.
Oct 29, 2013 11:07am
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Oct 29, 2013 11:07 AM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1525472 wrote:If someone forms a club in his basement dedicated to love of cookies and I don't like cookies, why would I expect his group to accomodate me?

Religious fundamentalists and organized atheists are two sides of the same coin - a community of like minded who use events (i.e. a soup kitchen) or a publicity stunt (i.e. an "outraged" story in the paper) to advance thier agenda.
queencitybuckeye;1525473 wrote:What if the charter of the cookie club specifically emphasizes that the club exists not just for lovers of cookies, but also for those not yet decided on cookies and for those who actively hate cookies?
And that their founder devoted his life to helping those in need of cookies. And the people the cookie club doesn't want to let in is just trying to help those in need of cookies get cookies.

God is love. What these atheists were doing was an act of love for humanity (trying to help those less fortunate). Atheists don't call it god, but call it love for humanity or doing charity or many other things. Basically this Christian soup kitchen was turning away "love/god" because the atheists label it differently from the way the Christian church prefers to label it.
Oct 29, 2013 11:07am
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Oct 29, 2013 11:09 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;1525475 wrote:"due to differing beliefs"

But they aren't differing beliefs, the one doesn't have any. So why do they want to join?
Really, atheists are now automatically nihilistic? Just because there isn't a religious ideology that they must subscribe to regarding a diety doesn't mean that atheists don't believe in noble principles, beliefs or some sort of morality.
Oct 29, 2013 11:09am
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Oct 29, 2013 11:10 AM
" What these atheists were doing was an act of love for humanity"

An excellent point...so why didn't they do so without involving a bigoted charity?

sorry for the edit - i hate iPad
Oct 29, 2013 11:10am
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Oct 29, 2013 11:14 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;1525484 wrote:" What these atheists were doing was an act of love for humanity"

An excellent point...so why did they do so without involving a bigoted charity?
I postulated this earlier. This was an established soup kitchen. The atheist group had goods that they wanted to distribute to those who were in need. Basically the atheists had the supply, the soup kitchen had the demand. They were trying to use basic economic principles and work harmoniously with another organization (which they do in other instances) to accomplish their goal of charitable work.

But since the soup kitchen rejected them, they did the next best thing which was to be as close as possible to the location to distribute the goods to those in need where they were concentrated.
Oct 29, 2013 11:14am
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Oct 29, 2013 11:18 AM
I am confused as to how the Atheists are Jerks. They seem to do many charitable events around the community. They seemed to reach out to see if they could help. Of course the Church has the right to exclude whoever they want but anyone also has the right to criticize and call out their hypocrisy, which is what the Atheist group did here.
Oct 29, 2013 11:18am
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Oct 29, 2013 11:25 AM
jmog;1525371 wrote:Both groups were idiots. The atheists wanted to cause a scene and the Catholics should have allowed any volunteers and definitely shouldn't have said they were from the devil.
Where do you read they're Catholic?
Oct 29, 2013 11:25am
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Oct 29, 2013 11:28 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1525494 wrote:Where do you read they're Catholic?
Their web site indicates they're inter-denominational.
Oct 29, 2013 11:28am
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Oct 29, 2013 11:31 AM
queencitybuckeye;1525498 wrote:Their web site indicates they're inter-denominational.

Yeah... which means multiple denominations. I was trying to read in the article where it said the Catholics had a problem with the athiest's but the Baptists and Methodists didn't.
Oct 29, 2013 11:31am