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Oct 6, 2013 6:36 PM
LJ;1513822 wrote:Uh wut? The problems on this D are on Meyer, Coombs and Withers. Fickell wants to blitz more and play man. Neyer is big on the D-line getting pressure and dropping 7 or 8. The DB's are leaving their responsibilities and playing way out of control. When you rush 3 or 4 you HAVE to get coverage sacks, but they aren't doing that because the back's are playing way out of control. Honestly, Vrabel's d line and Shazier are the only god damn bright spots on the defense. Vrabel was the only "merry collection of defensive brainchildren", the rest were ALL Meyer hires.
You couldn't be more wrong. Fickell believes in playing mostly base and zone. Meyer wants them to be more aggressive. Fickell learned under tressel that bending but not breaking is not a bad thing. Meyer would rather attack and force mistakes. But saying Fickell wants to blitz more isn't true at least from a scheme standpoint.
Oct 6, 2013 6:36pm
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Oct 6, 2013 6:48 PM
Seems like what the DBs are doing this year are what they've done for years under Fickell and that is to play 10 yards off all game. I know they've at least done it since 06 because I was pissed off all game against Florida because they were just dinking and dunking. Don't know why they do it so much with the athletes they've had because it allows the offense to get rid of the ball fast before pressure gets there. I'm no coach or anything, just my observation.
Oct 6, 2013 6:48pm
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Oct 6, 2013 6:49 PM
Midstate01;1513955 wrote:You couldn't be more wrong. Fickell believes in playing mostly base and zone. Meyer wants them to be more aggressive. Fickell learned under tressel that bending but not breaking is not a bad thing. Meyer would rather attack and force mistakes. But saying Fickell wants to blitz more isn't true at least from a scheme standpoint.
I'm not wrong. Fickell wants to use DB and LB blitzes to apply pressure with the DL sealing the gaps and playing contain. That is exactly the schemes of the guys he learned under. Meyer has ALWAYS had a defensive philosophy that he drops 7-8 and lets his DL apply the pressure. When Florida beat OSU in the NCG, Florida didn't use 1 blitz. All the pressure on Smith was due to the DL getting pressure and the back 7 having solid coverage. You can't get any kind of coverage sacks with your DL when your back 7 is playing out of control.
Oct 6, 2013 6:49pm
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Oct 6, 2013 6:50 PM
Terry_Tate;1513961 wrote:Seems like what the DBs are doing this year are what they've done for years under Fickell and that is to play 10 yards off all game. I know they've at least done it since 06 because I was pissed off all game against Florida because they were just dinking and dunking.

Fickell didn't start making any calls or gameplans till 2010, and then made no calls or gameplans in 2011 when he was HC. So no, they are not doing what they did for "years under Fickell".
Oct 6, 2013 6:50pm
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Oct 6, 2013 6:54 PM
Let's not forget that Northwestern is a fine team. this was a tough environment to play in. My God, as a guy born in 1970, I never thought I'd say that Evanston is a tough environment! Anyway, in a long season, a championship team is going to win a few ugly. Just go back as recently at 2002 when the Buckeyes barely beat Cincinnati, Purdue, Illinois and Michigan.
Oct 6, 2013 6:54pm
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Oct 6, 2013 6:55 PM
LJ;1513966 wrote:Fickell didn't start making any calls or gameplans till 2010, and then made no calls or gameplans in 2011 when he was HC. So no, they are not doing what they did for "years under Fickell".
Sorry, didn't realize he had no influence on the defensive scheme when he was co-DC since 2005.

Fine, the secondary has played soft since at least 2006 and it is frustrating as hell to watch.
Oct 6, 2013 6:55pm
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Oct 6, 2013 7:30 PM
ccrunner609;1514003 wrote:but its still Northwestern......
Congratulations, you're qualified as an AP voter circa 1980
Oct 6, 2013 7:30pm
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Oct 6, 2013 8:08 PM
Midstate01;1513955 wrote:You couldn't be more wrong. Fickell believes in playing mostly base and zone. Meyer wants them to be more aggressive. Fickell learned under tressel that bending but not breaking is not a bad thing. Meyer would rather attack and force mistakes. But saying Fickell wants to blitz more isn't true at least from a scheme standpoint.
This is the exact opposite of what they talked about after the game. It was said that Fickell wants to blitz more, but Meyer believes in getting pressure with the front 4 and dropping 7-8.
Oct 6, 2013 8:08pm
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Oct 6, 2013 8:58 PM
Occasionally some smart students also have football talent. NW'ern is now fortunate to have a very good coach who's probably the 2nd best in the conference.
Plus NW'ern hands down is in the best city of all the B10 schools.
Oct 6, 2013 8:58pm
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Oct 6, 2013 9:36 PM
said_aouita;1514060 wrote:Plus NW'ern hands down is in the best city of all the B10 schools.
Evanston, IL?
Oct 6, 2013 9:36pm
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Oct 6, 2013 10:15 PM
SportsAndLady;1514098 wrote:Evanston, IL?
Yes. It's aka Chicago......(fine, it's a few miles North)


What b10 city is better?
Oct 6, 2013 10:15pm
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Oct 6, 2013 10:25 PM
Evanston != Chicago.


Answer to the question....Columbus.
Oct 6, 2013 10:25pm
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Oct 6, 2013 10:29 PM
It's not Chicago. It's Evanston.
Oct 6, 2013 10:29pm
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Oct 6, 2013 11:02 PM
That's like saying its not Columbus it's Upper Arlington...my god man don't be so dense.


...and get a new signature they already fired the poor schmuck
Oct 6, 2013 11:02pm
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Oct 6, 2013 11:31 PM
Tiernan;1514144 wrote:That's like saying its not Columbus it's Upper Arlington...my god man don't be so dense.


...and get a new signature they already fired the poor schmuck
I think it'd be closer to saying its London not Columbus. Or canal winchester not Columbus. Its gotta be close to 15 miles from Evanston to downtown Chicago.

But I still say Chicago when I talk about NW because nobody knows where Evanston is.
Oct 6, 2013 11:31pm
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Oct 6, 2013 11:35 PM
Tiernan;1514144 wrote:That's like saying its not Columbus it's Upper Arlington...my god man don't be so dense.


...and get a new signature they already fired the poor schmuck
Isn't upper Arlington still technically Columbus?

Evanston is an entire different city and is a good traffic filled drive from Chicago.
Oct 6, 2013 11:35pm
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Oct 7, 2013 6:18 AM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1513967 wrote:Let's not forget that Northwestern is a fine team. this was a tough environment to play in. My God, as a guy born in 1970, I never thought I'd say that Evanston is a tough environment! Anyway, in a long season, a championship team is going to win a few ugly. Just go back as recently at 2002 when the Buckeyes barely beat Cincinnati, Purdue, Illinois and Michigan.
Ohio State seems to anyway. Looking at the current Top 5 (excluding OSU) I don't see any ugly wins yet. No wait...Stanford barely beat Army by 2 TD's.
Oct 7, 2013 6:18am
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Oct 7, 2013 7:49 AM
Love these guys on here who act like they "know" that a coach wants to play a certain defense and that they're being overuled. You're not in the meeting rooms and aren't privy to the inner workings of the OSU football staff, so speculate all you want, but seriously, you have no idea.
Oct 7, 2013 7:49am
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Oct 7, 2013 7:49 AM
Yeah, OSU is going to need a lot of help to get in the top 2.
Oct 7, 2013 7:49am
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Oct 7, 2013 8:02 AM
10 point win on the road at night against an undefeated top 20 opponent.

If it was Ole Miss, Mississippi State, or Auburn instead of NW some team would've just got a bump in the polls. ESPN would be lining up to give beejes to them.
Oct 7, 2013 8:02am
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Oct 7, 2013 8:13 AM
vball10set;1514193 wrote:Love these guys on here who act like they "know" that a coach wants to play a certain defense and that they're being overuled. You're not in the meeting rooms and aren't privy to the inner workings of the OSU football staff, so speculate all you want, but seriously, you have no idea.

It's not speculation, it was reported after the game sat night.
Oct 7, 2013 8:13am
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Oct 7, 2013 8:17 AM
LJ;1514206 wrote:It's not speculation, it was reported after the game sat night.

Sorry, I didn't see this. Where was it reported, and by whom?
Oct 7, 2013 8:17am
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Oct 7, 2013 8:19 AM
vball10set;1514207 wrote:Sorry, I didn't see this. Where was it reported, and by whom?
Postgame show, Matt Finkes. Said that they go back and forth about it. Meyer's stance is also pretty well known, because not only does he talk about it all the time (getting pressure with the front 4) but that's how his defenses at UF played.
Oct 7, 2013 8:19am
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Oct 7, 2013 8:39 AM
Fly4Fun;1513831 wrote:Easy to criticize when it doesn't work. If we picked it up it could have been that shot in the arm that we needed in the first half.


I agree with this. We had 3 at that time, no reason not to burn one to keep Northwestern from chewing up 30+ seconds.



I'm not really concerned about this. There was no camera shot which would have changed anything.



If you take Miller out and Guiton doesn't play well, you can't put Miller back in as his confidence would be shot. I like that he had Guiton warm up, but I agree that he should have had one more chance, which he got and moved the team to score.



I do agree that I'm not a fan of the job our current defensive coaches have been doing. They have had trouble with injuries and lack of depth at different positions. But overall this isn't the defense that we're used to at Ohio State.

But part of the damage last night was self inflicted with short fields because of turnovers (or the failed 4th down conversion).
It the punter follows his blocker instead of cutting it outside we all talk about how great of a call it was and the Bucks probably win by 2 TDs
Oct 7, 2013 8:39am
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Oct 7, 2013 12:03 PM
bases_loaded;1514217 wrote:It the punter follows his blocker instead of cutting it outside we all talk about how great of a call it was and the Bucks probably win by 2 TDs
That's what I thought, if he had ran up the middle he probably gains at least 10 yards, but we're talking about someone who is completely new to American Football so I think we have to give him a pass this time.
Oct 7, 2013 12:03pm