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said_aouita

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Aug 14, 2013 10:48 AM
It's a state fair. Obviously the dumb asses didn't consider their may be Democrats in Missouri.
Aug 14, 2013 10:48am
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Aug 14, 2013 11:20 AM
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Aug 14, 2013 12:01 PM
said_aouita;1486778 wrote:It's a state fair. Obviously the dumb asses didn't consider their may be Democrats in Missouri.
*there
Aug 14, 2013 12:01pm
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Aug 14, 2013 12:03 PM
So let me get this straight. Anyone can wear a mask of any other president or make dummy's of them to mock them EXCEPT President Obama? Got it.
Aug 14, 2013 12:03pm
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Aug 14, 2013 2:00 PM
The Insane Clown Posse is really pissed about this and wants to see justice for their brethren.
Aug 14, 2013 2:00pm
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Aug 14, 2013 2:09 PM
bases_loaded;1486793 wrote:
To be fair, there are differences between 1994 and 2013 as far as the pervasiveness of news coverage a lot due to the increase in accessibility to the internet and cable television, both of which greatly contribute to the 24 hour news cycle.
Aug 14, 2013 2:09pm
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Aug 14, 2013 2:26 PM
So, to be fair, our country is full of butthurt pussies now.
Aug 14, 2013 2:26pm
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Aug 14, 2013 2:28 PM
Not my president ..... Hope this helps
Aug 14, 2013 2:28pm
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Aug 14, 2013 2:30 PM
I think the issue was probably more because rather than "lol Obama is stupid" or something like that it was more of a "gee wouldn't it be great if he died?".
Aug 14, 2013 2:30pm
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Aug 14, 2013 2:33 PM
bases_loaded;1486949 wrote:So, to be fair, our country is full of butthurt pussies now.
I can't help but laugh at this for unintended reasons.
Aug 14, 2013 2:33pm
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Aug 14, 2013 6:28 PM
LOL.

It's the same NAACP that wouldn't defend a black beating victim and called him an Uncle Tom.

These black "leaders" don't want racism to go way, it's too much of a political/personal pawn.
Aug 14, 2013 6:28pm
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Aug 15, 2013 3:18 PM
Seems pretty simple to me:

1) The clown should have been relieved of his duties, it is a state-funded expedition and people didn't sign up for political moments - satirization or not. Bad judgment.

2) The response is more idiotic. It makes the Obama supporters seem like thin-skinned nitwits. The idea that he should have a lifetime ban, or go through sensitivity training or that the DOJ should be involved is Orwellian. Political satire is one of the most precious of our 1st Amendment rights. Some might find it distasteful, but there hasn't been a POTUS that hasn't seen distasteful criticism. The politicians that were outraged about this are more clownish than the actual clown.
Aug 15, 2013 3:18pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Aug 15, 2013 3:24 PM
"To be fair, there are differences between 1994 and 2013 as far as the pervasiveness of news coverage a lot due to the increase in accessibility to the internet and cable television, both of which greatly contribute to the 24 hour news cycle."

And to be fair, George W. Bush was continuously vilified in the previous administration which by that time was a 24 hour news cycle. Eddie Vedder (from Pearl Jam of former fame) lampooning him on stage, there was a film dedicated to W's assassination, and perhaps the tv show Game of Thrones putting W's head on a spike (I'm not sure about that one, I've read differing opinions).

The point is (and not to take this to the politics forum so I won't mention any more names), a POTUS is a public figure and there is no reason why a POTUS figure gets special privilege for any or no reason.

South Park got it right, also during the 24 hour news cycle. The people upset about this are complete idiots. Just kick the guy out of the fair for putting on a show that wasn't public friendly. It doesn't make him a criminal, or even civilly liable for anything.
Aug 15, 2013 3:24pm
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Aug 15, 2013 3:25 PM
ccrunner609;1487517 wrote:First amendment.
Doesn't apply with respect to employment. I can't go into my boss' office and tell him he's an a-hole and expect the First Amendment to save me from being fired. In the private or public sector.
Aug 15, 2013 3:25pm
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Aug 15, 2013 3:32 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1487522 wrote:Doesn't apply with respect to employment. I can't go into my boss' office and tell him he's an a-hole and expect the First Amendment to save me from being fired. In the private or public sector.
CC won't understand this. He's somewhat of a derp.
Aug 15, 2013 3:32pm
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Aug 15, 2013 3:39 PM
I actually don't have issue with the clown (without knowing the whole routine). As people said, caricature masks are common/popular. The guy who stepped over the line was the PA announcer "don't y'all want him to get trampled?" And the clown might have had nothing to do with whatever ad libs the PA guy decided to come up with.
Aug 15, 2013 3:39pm
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Aug 15, 2013 3:52 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1487522 wrote:Doesn't apply with respect to employment. I can't go into my boss' office and tell him he's an a-hole and expect the First Amendment to save me from being fired. In the private or public sector.

Wrong. The First Amendment gives you the right to go into your boss' office and say whatever you want. The First Amendment doesn't protect you from consequences of what you say.
Aug 15, 2013 3:52pm
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Aug 15, 2013 3:57 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1487521 wrote:"To be fair, there are differences between 1994 and 2013 as far as the pervasiveness of news coverage a lot due to the increase in accessibility to the internet and cable television, both of which greatly contribute to the 24 hour news cycle."

And to be fair, George W. Bush was continuously vilified in the previous administration which by that time was a 24 hour news cycle. Eddie Vedder (from Pearl Jam of former fame) lampooning him on stage, there was a film dedicated to W's assassination, and perhaps the tv show Game of Thrones putting W's head on a spike (I'm not sure about that one, I've read differing opinions).

The point is (and not to take this to the politics forum so I won't mention any more names), a POTUS is a public figure and there is no reason why a POTUS figure gets special privilege for any or no reason.

South Park got it right, also during the 24 hour news cycle. The people upset about this are complete idiots. Just kick the guy out of the fair for putting on a show that wasn't public friendly. It doesn't make him a criminal, or even civilly liable for anything.
This. If his employers want to make him do sort of training then whatever. But I'm not going to pretend the guy is a criminal or an asshole or anything. He did something that was pretty dumb. Shut up about it already.
Aug 15, 2013 3:57pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Aug 15, 2013 3:59 PM
Well, sort of. Unless it is a prior restraint it doesn't really matter, people can just mouth off for any or no reason. But the First Amendment does protect against certain consequences by state actors. If I walk into a shopping mall and scream out "my boss is a jerk", the First Amendment doesn't protect me from consequences with respect to my employment, if I go to an anti-politician rally the First Amendment typically protects me from any state action with respect to that speech unless it violates certain parameters (inciting violence, direct threat, etc. etc.).
Aug 15, 2013 3:59pm