FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Oct 6, 2016 6:47pm
To continue the healthcare conversation...
I've never understood why healthcare is a right. But if it is, then the only way to control costs IMHO is to control how much the hospitals/Drs can charge. Having everyone buy insurance just inflates the price. Personally I think insurance takes all the blame for cost when it's the Drs and hospitals that are doing the charging. Having govt pay for everything will just inflate costs more. (See what happened to the cost of education once the govt started guarunteeing student loans)
I've never understood why healthcare is a right. But if it is, then the only way to control costs IMHO is to control how much the hospitals/Drs can charge. Having everyone buy insurance just inflates the price. Personally I think insurance takes all the blame for cost when it's the Drs and hospitals that are doing the charging. Having govt pay for everything will just inflate costs more. (See what happened to the cost of education once the govt started guarunteeing student loans)
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Oct 7, 2016 10:47am
http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/10/05/another-clinton-admits-obamacare-is-not-affordable-n2228690
And now Chelsea says Obamakare is not affordable. Lol
And now Chelsea says Obamakare is not affordable. Lol
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Oct 7, 2016 11:21am
The Clintons dont want Obamacare........they want Hilarycare.
THey are going to redo the whole thing. We will have to pass it to know what is in it
THey are going to redo the whole thing. We will have to pass it to know what is in it
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 7, 2016 12:14pm
And some people wonder why Trump is popular. Most rational people hate the lifer politicians, bureaucrats and lawyers who have delivered disasters like obamaKare on top of $20 trillion in debt, never ending deficits, and a Hundred Trillion in unfunded liabilities.
Time to clean house.
Time to clean house.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 14, 2016 9:42am
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-14/more-than-1-million-in-obamacare-to-lose-plans-as-insurers-quit
This disaster will finally get bulldozed with a Trump presidency.
This disaster will finally get bulldozed with a Trump presidency.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 14, 2016 10:27am
This is exactly what Obama and the Dems wanted. They even told the people this. Don't believe me? Just ask boat shoes.QuakerOats;1815580 wrote:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-14/more-than-1-million-in-obamacare-to-lose-plans-as-insurers-quit
This disaster will finally get bulldozed with a Trump presidency.
There is a reason the architect said they passed Obamacare, due to the stupidity of the average american. The dems are moving the goal posts and we are on our way to single payer.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 14, 2016 10:44am
Good.like_that;1815591 wrote:This is exactly what Obama and the Dems wanted. They even told the people this. Don't believe me? Just ask boat shoes.
There is a reason the architect said they passed Obamacare, due to the stupidity of the average american. The dems are moving the goal posts and we are on our way to single payer.
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Oct 14, 2016 11:22am
It doesnt matter who is nominated, Obamacare is gone.like_that;1815591 wrote:This is exactly what Obama and the Dems wanted. They even told the people this. Don't believe me? Just ask boat shoes.
There is a reason the architect said they passed Obamacare, due to the stupidity of the average american. The dems are moving the goal posts and we are on our way to single payer.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 14, 2016 12:43pm
Single payer is a different argument, I am not a fan of it, but I can see the arguments for it. Obamacare was a joke and anyone who thought it was actually going to work (a lot of people apparently), was either an idiot or drank the kool-aid with wishful thinking.sleeper;1815592 wrote:Good.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 14, 2016 12:45pm
Single payer has its issues and there is a lot we need to discuss before implementing it.like_that;1815623 wrote:Single payer is a different argument, I am not a fan of it, but I can see the arguments for it. Obamacare was a joke and anyone who thought it was actually going to work (a lot of people apparently), was either an idiot or drank the kool-aid with wishful thinking.
With that said, its preferable to Obamacare and how it was done before Obamacare.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 14, 2016 12:48pm
Even though I don't support single payer, I can agree to that. Obamacare has been a joke from the start.sleeper;1815624 wrote:Single payer has its issues and there is a lot we need to discuss before implementing it.
With that said, its preferable to Obamacare and how it was done before Obamacare.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Oct 14, 2016 2:38pm
Maybe better than Obamacare but not even close to better to what was before Obamacare.sleeper;1815624 wrote:Single payer has its issues and there is a lot we need to discuss before implementing it.
With that said, its preferable to Obamacare and how it was done before Obamacare.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 14, 2016 2:42pm
Right because going back to denying coverage on pre-existing conditions is the Christian thing to do.jmog;1815672 wrote:Maybe better than Obamacare but not even close to better to what was before Obamacare.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 14, 2016 3:53pm
What does that matter anymore; what is the muslim thing-to-do is the question.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 25, 2016 9:53am
[h=1]CRITICAL CONDITION
ObamaCare spike shows law
is 'blowing up,' say critics[/h]
Literally blowing up .................and Hillary wants to double down on it .........and some people support her
ObamaCare spike shows law
is 'blowing up,' say critics[/h]
Literally blowing up .................and Hillary wants to double down on it .........and some people support her
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 25, 2016 10:01am
Yes. Obamacare is a bad law. GOP chose Trump. HRC is an easy choice.QuakerOats;1818369 wrote:CRITICAL CONDITION
ObamaCare spike shows law
is 'blowing up,' say critics
Literally blowing up .................and Hillary wants to double down on it .........and some people support her
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Oct 25, 2016 11:20am
thisSpock;1815600 wrote:It doesnt matter who is nominated, Obamacare is gone.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Oct 25, 2016 12:47pm
You "this'd" your own post? Damn, that's just sad...Spock;1818388 wrote:this
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 25, 2016 1:21pm
sleeper;1818371 wrote:Yes. Obamacare is a bad law. GOP chose Trump. HRC is an easy choice.
Yes, that makes complete sense.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 25, 2016 1:23pm
Down to 2 insurers left in Philadelphia; premiums going up 53%.
1 insurer left in Phoenix; deductible is $14,000.
Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.
Change we can believe in ....
1 insurer left in Phoenix; deductible is $14,000.
Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.
Change we can believe in ....
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 25, 2016 2:41pm
She'll replace it hopefully with single payer insurance like the rest of the modern world.QuakerOats;1818410 wrote:Yes, that makes complete sense.
I have no idea what Trump would do. Thank god he won't be President.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 25, 2016 2:52pm
sleeper;1818434 wrote:She'll replace it hopefully with single payer insurance like the rest of the modern world.
I have no idea what Trump would do. Thank god he won't be President.
Again, that makes perfect sense; let's be like the rest of the 'modern world' .....maybe we can go there for care.
And you do know what Trump would do, he will repeal this historic disaster and the republican plan will be inserted in its place and signed into law. Then we can all go back to having health insurance that is reasonably affordable and retain health care that is the envy of the 'modern world'.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 25, 2016 2:55pm
Right because Republicans were doing so much to control healthcare prices. Republicans sure did a lot to help people with pre-existing conditions and remove lifetime caps so that the poor would just have to die instead of being treated humanely.QuakerOats;1818437 wrote:Again, that makes perfect sense; let's be like the rest of the 'modern world' .....maybe we can go there for care.
And you do know what Trump would do, he will repeal this historic disaster and the republican plan will be inserted in its place and signed into law. Then we can all go back to having health insurance that is reasonably affordable and retain health care that is the envy of the 'modern world'.
GOP chose Trump. Enjoy 8 years of Hillary!
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Oct 25, 2016 3:17pm
Honestly, the only people I know of/read about/watched on interviews who want single payer are 1.) College kids 2.) Lefotover hippies 3.) People wanting to try something new while thinking that it can be easily changed back if they don't like it.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 25, 2016 3:20pm
I'm none of those people.CenterBHSFan;1818444 wrote:Honestly, the only people I know of/read about/watched on interviews who want single payer are 1.) College kids 2.) Lefotover hippies 3.) People wanting to try something new while thinking that it can be easily changed back if they don't like it.
Theory debunked.