Laley23;1456341 wrote:As I typed that I actually was thinking after the roids era that 600 is the new 500. I think Olney said something similar to that in his voting mind a few years ago.
If there was a "Senior PGA Tour" of MLB, he'd be a HOFer lolwes_mantooth;1456356 wrote:Way off subject, but is Jaime Moyer a hall of famer? Lol...I don't feel like looking it up, but stat wise....he has to be up there.
Yup, hate him so much that they didn't give him the MVP award despite beating Mo Vaughn in every statistical category while playing for the best team in baseball. Complete fucking joke, and another reason why I hate journalists. Just a bunch of butt hurt bitches with clouded judgement. Kinda like fly4fun as a mod.wes_mantooth;1456356 wrote: Also, Albert has 0 chance of getting in. Dominant but not for long enough and the media hates him
like_that;1456376 wrote:Yup, hate him so much that they didn't give him the MVP award despite beating Mo Vaughn in every statistical category while playing for the best team in baseball. Complete fucking joke, and another reason why I hate journalists. Just a bunch of butt hurt bitches with clouded judgement. Kinda like fly4fun as a mod.
I guess we could clarify and say Top 5 for 5/6 years or Top 10 for a decade...Ironman92;1456342 wrote:Ok....gonna give you two guys that fit this criteria I think, to me one was dominant and put up JUST enough numbers to get in and the other was also dominant but I think he didn't do enough and will never make it.
Vladimir Guerrero
Albert Belle
I think you have to have the milestone locks, dominant for closer to a decade, dominant with some longevity or incredible longevity with very good (Craig Biggio, some may say Andre Dawson, Palmeiro had he not got caught, Don Sutton, Gaylord Perry, Phil Niekro....Ozzie and Omar can be thrown in here with less offense)
SportsAndLady;1456359 wrote:If there was a "Senior PGA Tour" of MLB, he'd be a HOFer lol
The fact Rickey Henderson wasn't a unanimous decision proves that.wes_mantooth;1456385 wrote:Seems like the old timers of baseball journalism are the worst of the worst
like_that;1456401 wrote:The fact Rickey Henderson wasn't a unanimous decision proves that.
I just looked at Maddux's stats and awards. I forgot how sick he was.Ironman92;1456408 wrote:And numerous others....fuck the old farts.
Uh....Hank Aaron....no
.........Willie Mays....nah
........Stan Musial....meh
.......Lou fuckin Gehrig....ho hum
......Greg Maddux....add him to the list
like_that;1456418 wrote:When is maddux up for eligibility?
like_that;1456415 wrote:I just looked at Maddux's stats and awards. I forgot how sick he was.
18 gold gloves.Ironman92;1456424 wrote:The strike of 94 and 95....those years were just silly
But he would be a guy that if he wasn't quite CY material those 4 years....his very good/longevity of 18? Straight 15+ wins, 16? GG, only missed 2 or 3 starts in 19 years?
Azubuike24;1456419 wrote:Meant to post this here, not that other thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO-GRE8df5s - Running hills
http://mlb.mlb.com/fancave/video.jsp...id=mUfY_ukF0p_ - Pulling the sled
While this isn't extreme, I'd venture that most baseball players don't train line BP.
like_that;1456425 wrote:18 gold gloves.
Azubuike24;1456419 wrote:Meant to post this here, not that other thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO-GRE8df5s - Running hills
http://mlb.mlb.com/fancave/video.jsp...id=mUfY_ukF0p_ - Pulling the sled
While this isn't extreme, I'd venture that most baseball players don't train line BP.
Azubuike24;1456430 wrote:Why's that? Training videos are some of the most popular on YouTube...
Laley23;1456312 wrote:You have to hit a milestone, or be dominant for a long stretch (5ish years). BP has done neither.
Milestones would be 10 GG, 3k hits, 500HR, 1500 RBI.
Dominant would be someone who is top 10 in MVP for like 5 years out of 6. Pujols, A-Rod, Miggy...those guys can retire today and be in the HOF.
