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May 20, 2013 12:46 PM
Gblock;1445366 wrote:he should have shot her in the leg and then shot the guy
This only happens in the movies. Cops aren't trained to shoot in the legs. They are trained to shoot center mass.
May 20, 2013 12:46pm
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May 20, 2013 12:48 PM
Hmm...so there's a situation where there's a home invasion, a cop comes, the gunman has taken a woman hostage and the end result is the cop blowing both the criminal and the hostage away.

I'd say the funny part is how this thread's going off topic to address someone else's supposed "know-it-all-ism" because he's saying the cop fucked up.

Anyone with a working fucking brain knows things were fucked up when the dude whose creed supposedly is "to protect and to serve" ended up blasting the brains out of someone because they made the huge mistake of living in a residence a criminal broke into.
May 20, 2013 12:48pm
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May 20, 2013 1:07 PM
The guy did aim his gun at the cop. Is he supposed to just get killed, that way the criminal can then kill the woman and leave?
May 20, 2013 1:07pm
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May 20, 2013 1:12 PM
gport_tennis;1445422 wrote:The guy did aim his gun at the cop. Is he supposed to just get killed, that way the criminal can then kill the woman and leave?
Absolutely. His job is to put himself into danger to protect citizens, not to put citizens in danger to protect himself. He shouldn't have put himself in that situation if he weren't prepared for situations like that.
May 20, 2013 1:12pm
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May 20, 2013 1:17 PM
dlazz;1445426 wrote:Absolutely. His job is to put himself into danger to protect citizens, not to put citizens in danger to protect himself. He shouldn't have put himself in that situation if he weren't prepared for situations like that.
Wasn't*
May 20, 2013 1:17pm
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May 20, 2013 1:17 PM
We don't know enough to make the judgements we are making. Well, except LJ.
May 20, 2013 1:17pm
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May 20, 2013 1:19 PM
WebFire;1445428 wrote:We don't know enough to make the judgements we are making. Well, except LJ.
I'm allowed to have an opinion, just like you are. If you don;t want to have an opinion, be my guest, but that doesn't mean I am implying that I know anything more than the news articles about it. Cut the shit
May 20, 2013 1:19pm
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May 20, 2013 1:19 PM
LJ;1445429 wrote:but that doesn't mean I am implying that I know anything more than the news articles about it. Cut the shit
No, that's exactly what you are doing.
May 20, 2013 1:19pm
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May 20, 2013 1:21 PM
WebFire;1445430 wrote:No, that's exactly what you are doing.
Uh, no, it's not. The news reports the kidnapper did not fire any shots. He came out with the girl at gunpoint, supposedly pointed the gun at the cop, and the cop fired 8 times, killing both of them. Where have I ever implied that I know any more than that? Please, quote it. Thanks.
May 20, 2013 1:21pm
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May 20, 2013 1:28 PM
LJ;1445432 wrote:Uh, no, it's not. The news reports the kidnapper did not fire any shots. He came out with the girl at gunpoint, supposedly pointed the gun at the cop, and the cop fired 8 times, killing both of them. Where have I ever implied that I know any more than that? Please, quote it. Thanks.
By saying the cop was wrong and saying he shouldn't be a cop. The truth is, you don't have enough info to come to that conclusion. I think it's tragic this happened. And I would like to know the situation to understand why the cop did what he did.

I am not ready to lock him up in jail for life quite yet.
May 20, 2013 1:28pm
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May 20, 2013 1:31 PM
WebFire;1445436 wrote:By saying the cop was wrong and saying he shouldn't be a cop. The truth is, you don't have enough info to come to that conclusion. I think it's tragic this happened. And I would like to know the situation to understand why the cop did what he did.

I am not ready to lock him up in jail for life quite yet.
He is quoted as specifically saying that he shot because he was in fear for his life. IMO he should have been more worried about HER life the whole time. Instead he blew her brains out.
May 20, 2013 1:31pm
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May 20, 2013 1:32 PM
WebFire;1445436 wrote:By saying the cop was wrong and saying he shouldn't be a cop. The truth is, you don't have enough info to come to that conclusion. I think it's tragic this happened. And I would like to know the situation to understand why the cop did what he did.

I am not ready to lock him up in jail for life quite yet.
Number of posts saying that the officer should be locked up in jail for life = Zero.

But that's what happens when you have people who know everything about how other people should post on a message board.
May 20, 2013 1:32pm
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May 20, 2013 1:34 PM
LJ;1445427 wrote:Wasn't*
I think it can be either one. It's past tense but I'm referring to someone in the third person.
May 20, 2013 1:34pm
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May 20, 2013 1:37 PM
dlazz;1445443 wrote:I think it can be either one. It's past tense but I'm referring to someone in the third person.
Right, but I said "wasn't" so for your mockery to be a 10/10, you would've needed to post "wasn't"
May 20, 2013 1:37pm
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May 20, 2013 1:37 PM
LJ;1445438 wrote:He is quoted as specifically saying that he shot because he was in fear for his life. IMO he should have been more worried about HER life the whole time. Instead he blew her brains out.
What a ridiculous statement.
May 20, 2013 1:37pm
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May 20, 2013 1:38 PM
dlazz;1445448 wrote:What a ridiculous statement.
Who are the cops paid to protect?
May 20, 2013 1:38pm
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May 20, 2013 1:45 PM
LJ;1445449 wrote:Who are the cops paid to protect?
Citizens. Cops are citizens too.
May 20, 2013 1:45pm
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May 20, 2013 1:49 PM
dlazz;1445452 wrote:Citizens. Cops are citizens too.
Hopefully I never get into a situation where I need assistance and the officer that shows up cares more about himself. Why even respond to the call then? Or a firefighter who doesn't want to run into a burning building because he fears for his life. Hope they don't exist either.

It's a danger of the job. Dude should come sit in the cube next to me if he was too afraid about the potential of having a gun pointed at him.
May 20, 2013 1:49pm
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May 20, 2013 1:50 PM
dlazz;1445452 wrote:Citizens. Cops are citizens too.
He is paid to protect the public, as a public employee. He is paid to serve the public. He did neither. He killed an innocent citizen because of his fear for his own life.

Where was the courage that he stated he would have when reciting his oath?
May 20, 2013 1:50pm
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May 20, 2013 1:52 PM
The cop made a split-second decision. I will not fault him for what he did. He didn't put the girl in harm's way. The criminal already had her in a headlock with a gun pointed at her head. The criminal turns the gun towards the cop. Either the cop fires off a shot or he's going to be killed. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. This was no rent-a-cop. He was a 12 year vet of the NYPD. At times NY cops have been trigger-happy. This was not one of those times. Say he backs off and the criminal kills her. then we're blaming the cop because he didn't do anything. I feel bad for the girl's family and for the cop. I know he feels terrible, but I will not place blame on the cop. The second the gun turns on you, you take action. You have no idea what is going through the criminal's head at that moment. The one to blame is the robber who threatened to kill the girl, had a loaded gun, didn't back down when the officer came in the room. It's entirely on him.
May 20, 2013 1:52pm
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May 20, 2013 1:53 PM
mucalum49;1445455 wrote:Hopefully I never get into a situation where I need assistance and the officer that shows up cares more about himself.
I think you're wrong. The gun was no longer pointed at the girl, thus the immediate danger had been passed from her to the person he was pointing the gun at (the officer).

It becomes even more flaky when the guy actually does the action of moving the gun away from the hostage and points it at a cop.

In my opinion. That's an act of hostility, and the officer has every right to fear for his life and plug him.
May 20, 2013 1:53pm
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May 20, 2013 1:56 PM
LJ;1445456 wrote:He is paid to protect the public, as a public employee. He is paid to serve the public. He did neither. He killed an innocent citizen because of his fear for his own life.

Where was the courage that he stated he would have when reciting his oath?

So he is supposed to just accept that the suspect is going to shoot him? Just let himself be sacrificed so the woman may end up living but will probably still be killed by suspect?

The worst person in all of this is the person who caused all of this, let's not forget
May 20, 2013 1:56pm
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May 20, 2013 2:01 PM
Heretic;1445440 wrote:Number of posts saying that the officer should be locked up in jail for life = Zero.

But that's what happens when you have people who know everything about how other people should post on a message board.
That's all you got? The implication from the posts was that the cop acted wrongly and was fully responsible for the death of this woman. Don't you assume that means jail.

Semantics.
May 20, 2013 2:01pm
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May 20, 2013 2:03 PM
WebFire;1445465 wrote:That's all you got? The implication from the posts was that the cop acted wrongly and was fully responsible for the death of this woman. Don't you assume that means jail.

Semantics.
No.
May 20, 2013 2:03pm
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May 20, 2013 2:04 PM
mucalum49;1445455 wrote:Hopefully I never get into a situation where I need assistance and the officer that shows up cares more about himself. Why even respond to the call then? Or a firefighter who doesn't want to run into a burning building because he fears for his life. Hope they don't exist either.

It's a danger of the job. Dude should come sit in the cube next to me if he was too afraid about the potential of having a gun pointed at him.
Actually, firefighters, and I imagine cops too, are trained to protect themselves first and foremost. The emergency responder did not create the situation, and they are there to diffuse the emergency. To suggest they should just die because it's their "job" is pretty insane.

Note, that is much different than acting recklessly, which is what some on here seem to claim. That is the part we do not know.
May 20, 2013 2:04pm