queencitybuckeye;1437877 wrote:You can for your own consumption, correct?
Ya...he's pretty much of the "stay out of my business" and "let the private sector handle shit" mindset. But there's some points where he is very far from Libertarian. Drugs and gay marriage are the two that he and I regularly disagree on.justincredible;1437811 wrote:Back to your original point. I was talking to sherm's father-in-law last night (he's going to paint our house) and he noticed my Gary Johnson bumper stickers. We started talking about that and he said he is pretty libertarian with his views, just not with drugs (yet). He said it was likely a generational thing but he'd need some serious convincing to get behind drug legalization.
This is NOT correct. Liquor production for any reason is illegal without a license. Beer and wine you can make all you want.justincredible;1437884 wrote:I'm pretty sure this is correct.
There are dozens, if not hundreds of scientific studies that prove it. Here's one.Glory Days;1437705 wrote:got a scientific study to prove it? some parent giving pot to their kid and saying it works isnt scientific.
Of the 572 subjects enrolled, 272 achieved a ‡20% improvement after 4 weeks of single-blind treatment, and 241 were randomized. The primary end-point was the difference between treatments in the mean spasticity Numeric Rating Scale (NRS) in the randomized, controlled phase of the study. Intention-to-treat (ITT) analysis showed a highly significant difference in favour of nabiximols (P = 0.0002). Secondary end-points of responder analysis, Spasm Frequency Score, Sleep Disturbance NRS Patient, Carer and Clinician Global Impression of Change were all significant in favour of nabiximols
:thumbdown:According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting data, there were a total of 1.5 million drug arrests made nationwide in 2011, and out of those arrests, about 750,000 were for marijuana (just under half, 49.5 percent) -- that's one marijuana arrest every 42 seconds and one drug arrest every 21 seconds in the U.S.
Poltics is this way.justincredible;1438737 wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/one-marijuana-arrest-occu_n_2041236.html
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Ok. Thanks.
I wonder how much in tax dollars that 750,000 could be smh.justincredible;1438737 wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/one-marijuana-arrest-occu_n_2041236.html
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Yeah, but you can get high with marijuana! Can't let that happen.like_that;1438752 wrote:I wonder how much in tax dollars that 750,000 could be smh.
Isn't that always the case!?sherm03;1438763 wrote:... I just don't think it will generate as much tax revenue as suspected ...
I do agree with this. If legalized pot costs more than the current going rate for illegal pot people would just continue to buy illegal pot if it was cheaper.sherm03;1438763 wrote:So if it's legalized, it's going to be taxed at a pretty large clip. The people that are selling weed now aren't going to just stop or become legit just because it is legalized, so they are going to be basically undercutting the prices at the legal dispensaries. So we're still going to be spending money to try to arrest those selling it illegally. And I have to wonder if any current users will just switch over to buying it legally. Instead, they'll probably try to save some money and continue buying from their current dealer.
I still think weed should be legalized. I just don't think it will generate as much tax revenue as suspected, and I think there will still be plenty of money spent on trying to find and prosecute the people selling/buying it illegally.
I don't.justincredible;1438774 wrote:I do agree with this.
Out of convenience and purity... if it is legalized you would hope that is not laced with something like PCP.dlazz;1438778 wrote:I don't.
It doesn't matter what the pot costs, people will go to whatever is most-easily accessible.
If I can buy it from some guy in the hood for $20, or at the gas station for $25, I'm probably going to the gas station out of convenience.
Well, I guess it depends on the cost difference. If an eighth jump from $50 to $75 you'll see a lot of people stick to the black market.dlazz;1438778 wrote:I don't.
It doesn't matter what the pot costs, people will go to whatever is most-easily accessible.
If I can buy it from some guy in the hood for $20, or at the gas station for $25, I'm probably going to the gas station out of convenience.
I respectfully disagree, for the previous reasons outlined.justincredible;1438785 wrote:Well, I guess it depends on the cost difference. If an eighth jump from $50 to $75 you'll see a lot of people stick to the black market.
Notice I didn't say everyone. I didn't even say a majority. A lot of people would stick with the black market if prices shoot up too much. Sure, your "OMG pot is legal I'm going to try it!" folks will go the easy route, regardless of cost.dlazz;1438787 wrote:I respectfully disagree, for the previous reasons outlined.
Under a circumstance like that, yeah, the legal pot would turn into that failsafe for if your "underground" source didn't have any on hand when you were in need, but for the average purchase, I doubt many people would be cool with a 50% price hike.justincredible;1438785 wrote:Well, I guess it depends on the cost difference. If an eighth jump from $50 to $75 you'll see a lot of people stick to the black market.
I didn't assume anything. I said "if..." I tend to agree that prices SHOULD drop.dlazz;1438797 wrote:You guys are also assuming that the price for weed would increase if it were legalized. The price is in its current ranges now because it is ILLEGAL. It would fall like a rock if it were legalized, and would very much likely be cheaper anyway even if they taxed the shit out of it.
Even if the price did come down, taxed will still be more than non-taxed. I don't think people who already have a supplier they've been using for years are going to switch, especially if they have to pay additional tax.dlazz;1438797 wrote:You guys are also assuming that the price for weed would increase if it were legalized. The price is in its current ranges now because it is ILLEGAL. It would fall like a rock if it were legalized, and would very much likely be cheaper anyway even if they taxed the shit out of it.