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justincredible;1423958 wrote:When have I ever complained about people bitching in the basement? Just because I respond down there doesn't mean I give a shit that people are bitching.

And thread banning is fine, but wouldn't it make more sense for people to just not be dicks? Serious question. What do you get out of "fighting" on the internet with people? I truly am curious.

I have seen quite a few people play that card, I wasn't pointing the finger at you. Also, I am just a smart ass in general in real life. Some people can take it as me being an asshole. I guess I just have a higher threshold of getting my feelz hurt. Lately when I post something that is probably worthy of an infraction or basement ban, I link the post to the basement anyway.

Maybe you should provide a poster with a "hurt feelz" meter, so we know who we can give a hard time.

justincredible;1423960 wrote:But I am willing to possibly go to a thread banning model of moderation. I guess people will eventually get that if they want to remain active in discussions they'll have to cut the shit. That said, there would be no warnings and no thread ban reversals. Eventually, though, there will people that just don't give a shit and will make it a point to get banned from every thread. At that point it doesn't really seem all that effective.

Even if it became that extreme, the person still won't be shitting the thread.

like_that;1423979 wrote:Even if it became that extreme, the person still won't be shitting the thread.

But should they be bant as they are nothing but a nuisance? What's the point of thread banning the same person over and over and over when they obviously aren't giving a shit or contributing anything?

justincredible;1423981 wrote:But should they be bant as they are nothing but a nuisance? What's the point of thread banning the same person over and over and over when they obviously aren't giving a shit or contributing anything?

If the poster is a douche and he is just being a douche on every single thread, then go ahead basement ban him. However, if it is something like sleeper talking about ND sucking ass or how LJ is an expert in everything, I don't believe sleeper should be basement bant. Whether some posters want to believe it, he actually provides quality to threads.

I vote for a "hurt feelz meter."

like_that;1423984 wrote:If the poster is a douche and he is just being a douche on every single thread, then go ahead basement ban him. However, if it is something like sleeper talking about ND sucking ass or how LJ is an expert in everything, I don't believe sleeper should be basement bant. Whether some posters want to believe it, he actually provides quality to threads.

I agree that sleeper provides quality to threads in instances. There are times that we even agree on different topics. However, I'm not sure how you can say that he doesn't cause problems on ND threads?

I personally and we as mods don't have a problem with people being critical of a team. I'm critical of ND and agree with Sleeper's general assessment (up until this past year when ND finally did something to prove they were going to be something more than glorified relic of the past). But I don't make it my business to constantly antagonize ND fans.

Just the same, when someone constantly antagonizes OSU fans the person is thread banned and receives infraction. There was a poster on the college basketball forum who was pretty much like Sleeper but towards OSU basketball. We treated him the same way (thread bans and subsequent infractions for repeated behavior).

The issue isn't having a negative opinion and voicing it. The issue is doing it ad nauseum to the point that it's just to antagonize others.

The tricky part of the thread ban concept is that it's not one poster taking a shot at another poster that's the problem, it's the others piling on and effectively ending the topic. Has nothing to do with hurt feelz.

Fly4Fun;1423989 wrote:I agree that sleeper provides quality to threads in instances. There are times that we even agree on different topics. However, I'm not sure how you can say that he doesn't cause problems on ND threads?

I personally and we as mods don't have a problem with people being critical of a team. I'm critical of ND and agree with Sleeper's general assessment (up until this past year when ND finally did something to prove they were going to be something more than glorified relic of the past). But I don't make it my business to constantly antagonize ND fans.

Just the same, when someone constantly antagonizes OSU fans the person is thread banned and receives infraction. There was a poster on the college basketball forum who was pretty much like Sleeper but towards OSU basketball. We treated him the same way (thread bans and subsequent infractions for repeated behavior).

The issue isn't having a negative opinion and voicing it. The issue is doing it ad nauseum to the point that it's just to antagonize others.

I never said sleeper doesn't cause any problems. You can simply ban him from that ND thread, and he can complain about it in the basement. Being basement bant is not warranted. Not surprised you will defend any basement ban though. We are talking about the same person here that basement bant me for saying you were being a dramatic little girl.

Lets not forget his happy trigger finger for infracting you for a basement post.

Commander of Awesome;1423997 wrote:Lets not forget his happy trigger finger for infracting you for a basement post.

Good call, almost forgot about that. But yeah, trigger happy/petty moderation def is not an issue :rolleyes:.

To answer Justin's question, its terrible moderation. No consistency what so ever. Its basically F4F being a dbag rule monger. Best threads on these boards are the ones where he stays out of it. See Browns thread for an example top 2 thread on the forum and the one time he tried to come in, he was promptly told to GTFO. There was undoubtedly more posters a yr ago when the moderation wasn't the key issue. You've recently started a "everyone get along" campaign that is pretty much bullshit and not what this site is about. Maybe you're getting too old for this riggs.

I mean honestly, do we want this forum to be about the weather in Troy Ohio, where Belly is going to vacation or what 9th grade girls sporting event Ironman is going to, or do we want a fun silly, NOGAF attitude lets have a good time forum?

Commander of Awesome;1424000 wrote:To answer Justin's question, its terrible moderation. No consistency what so ever. Its basically F4F being a dbag rule monger. Best threads on these boards are the ones where he stays out of it. See Browns thread for an example top 2 thread on the forum and the one time he tried to come in, he was promptly told to GTFO. There was undoubtedly more posters a yr ago when the moderation wasn't the key issue. You've recently started a "everyone get along" campaign that is pretty much bullshit and not what this site is about. Maybe you're getting too old for this riggs.

Pretty much spot on. In the Browns thread we get into a lot of shit, and none of those guys have left or stopped posting in that thread. In fact, the only posters who have stopped posting in that thread are the posters who were victims of petty moderation (see: DW and Hoops).

like_that;1423993 wrote:I never said sleeper doesn't cause any problems. You can simply ban him from that ND thread, and he can complain about it in the basement. Being basement bant is not warranted.

Ok, so you agree that he causes problems. And we have just used thread bans instead of the more permanent infraction system. But we don't necessarily want to continually play baby sitter and constantly clean up after people who insist on repeating their behavior that has earned them thread bans.

How I personally view my moderating responsibilities is that I will do what is necessary. But I'd rather people just behave in a semi-reasonable fashion. I understand that sometimes people for whatever reason are more abrasive than normal. I understand sometimes people will post something that they might want to take bake later. For example, with the past RDI incident, I was originally of the opinion that because he relatively quickly deleted the picture from the first thread he posted it on that we should show some leniency. But then he posted it on the basement and that was kind of the nail in the coffin as far as the temporary full ban went.

We don't get ANY kind of reward or positive reaction for thread banning, infracting, warning, etc. All we want is for people to for the most part/majority of the time be reasonable. It's the continual bad behavior or never ending back and forth that becomes the issue. For example, if a poster is constantly antagonizing ND fans, eventually ND fans will start to return the favor (we've seen this pattern before), then other OSU fans jump in a we're in a cycle of constant bickering about petty issues that aren't really relevant or pertinent to on going games.

That's just my view for the most part. I think some other mods share my sentiments but I don't know if all necessarily agree with me as we are all different people. We have different viewpoints, and that's a good thing as it provides balance.

Commander of Awesome;1424002 wrote:I mean honestly, do we want this forum to be about the weather in Troy Ohio, where Belly is going to vacation or what 9th grade girls sporting event Ironman is going to, or do we want a fun silly, NOGAF attitude lets have a good time forum?

Is there a middle ground? Is it possible to have a board where nearly every discussion doesn't disintegrate into a bunch of low-grade smack?

contact a lawyer

Commander of Awesome;1424000 wrote:To answer Justin's question, its terrible moderation. No consistency what so ever. Its basically F4F being a dbag rule monger. Best threads on these boards are the ones where he stays out of it. See Browns thread for an example top 2 thread on the forum and the one time he tried to come in, he was promptly told to GTFO. There was undoubtedly more posters a yr ago when the moderation wasn't the key issue. You've recently started a "everyone get along" campaign that is pretty much bullshit and not what this site is about. Maybe you're getting too old for this riggs.

I think part of the problem is a misperception that I'm somehow a rogue mod against the opinion of all the other mods. I tend to do a lot of the work when other mods report a post or even justin says something needs to be taken care of. I have access to all the forums so I generally try to help out in most (I avoid Politics as that is LJ's and the HS football forum as I don't follow it at all).

Fly4Fun;1424005 wrote:Ok, so you agree that he causes problems. And we have just used thread bans instead of the more permanent infraction system. But we don't necessarily want to continually play baby sitter and constantly clean up after people who insist on repeating their behavior that has earned them thread bans.

How I personally view my moderating responsibilities is that I will do what is necessary. But I'd rather people just behave in a semi-reasonable fashion. I understand that sometimes people for whatever reason are more abrasive than normal. I understand sometimes people will post something that they might want to take bake later. For example, with the past RDI incident, I was originally of the opinion that because he relatively quickly deleted the picture from the first thread he posted it on that we should show some leniency. But then he posted it on the basement and that was kind of the nail in the coffin as far as the temporary full ban went.

We don't get ANY kind of reward or positive reaction for thread banning, infracting, warning, etc. All we want is for people to for the most part/majority of the time be reasonable. It's the continual bad behavior or never ending back and forth that becomes the issue. For example, if a poster is constantly antagonizing ND fans, eventually ND fans will start to return the favor (we've seen this pattern before), then other OSU fans jump in a we're in a cycle of constant bickering about petty issues that aren't really relevant or pertinent to on going games.

That's just my view for the most part. I think some other mods share my sentiments but I don't know if all necessarily agree with me as we are all different people. We have different viewpoints, and that's a good thing as it provides balance.

Very long winded way of saying QQ lets all get along QQ. Also, I highly doubt you dont receive a "reward" for infracting. You love it. I bet you want to infract me right now. You finger hovering over the infract button?

Fly4Fun;1424008 wrote:I think part of the problem is a misperception that I'm somehow a rogue mod against the opinion of all the other mods. I tend to do a lot of the work when other mods report a post or even justin says something needs to be taken care of. I have access to all the forums so I generally try to help out in most (I avoid Politics as that is LJ's and the HS football forum as I don't follow it at all).

L O L. I've recieved PMs that are contradictory to this statement. But what ever helps you sleep at night. No one likes you/wants you to be a part of this site. If you weren't a mod, you would leave bc everyone would hurt your feelz and there would be nothing you could do about it.

Commander of Awesome;1424002 wrote:I mean honestly, do we want this forum to be about the weather in Troy Ohio, where Belly is going to vacation or what 9th grade girls sporting event Ironman is going to, or do we want a fun silly, NOGAF attitude lets have a good time forum?

And that's fine, but it has become about a half dozen of you having a good time while everyone else is miserable. There needs to be a balance.

I know you won't agree, because you made your mind up about everything around here about 2 years ago and won't budge off of that notion. Ever.

Fly4Fun;1424005 wrote:Ok, so you agree that he causes problems. And we have just used thread bans instead of the more permanent infraction system. But we don't necessarily want to continually play baby sitter and constantly clean up after people who insist on repeating their behavior that has earned them thread bans.

How I personally view my moderating responsibilities is that I will do what is necessary. But I'd rather people just behave in a semi-reasonable fashion. I understand that sometimes people for whatever reason are more abrasive than normal. I understand sometimes people will post something that they might want to take bake later. For example, with the past RDI incident, I was originally of the opinion that because he relatively quickly deleted the picture from the first thread he posted it on that we should show some leniency. But then he posted it on the basement and that was kind of the nail in the coffin as far as the temporary full ban went.

We don't get ANY kind of reward or positive reaction for thread banning, infracting, warning, etc. All we want is for people to for the most part/majority of the time be reasonable. It's the continual bad behavior or never ending back and forth that becomes the issue. For example, if a poster is constantly antagonizing ND fans, eventually ND fans will start to return the favor (we've seen this pattern before), then other OSU fans jump in a we're in a cycle of constant bickering about petty issues that aren't really relevant or pertinent to on going games.

That's just my view for the most part. I think some other mods share my sentiments but I don't know if all necessarily agree with me as we are all different people. We have different viewpoints, and that's a good thing as it provides balance.

Yes, because it is so fucking hard for you to click the "thread ban" feature. It isn't tough for you to go arnold commando style with infracting people, but banning people from threads is? LOL

I didn't read the rest of your post, because I don't need you to explain your modding methods. Your modding methods are 100% fail. I think the amount of posters who think you suck ass as a moderator speaks for itself. Your "please hear me out" speech is going to fall on deaf ears, because most of us think you are a shitty mod. We have 2.5 years of evidence.

queencitybuckeye;1424006 wrote:Is there a middle ground? Is it possible to have a board where nearly every discussion doesn't disintegrate into a bunch of low-grade smack?

It is not every dicussion. GTFO, dramatic much?

ts1227;1424013 wrote:And that's fine, but it has become about a half dozen of you having a good time while everyone else is miserable. There needs to be a balance.

I guess I just haven't noticed this. Seems about this time every year Justin has a coming to jesus conversation about the board

ts1227;1424013 wrote:And that's fine, but it has become about a half dozen of you having a good time while everyone else is miserable. There needs to be a balance.

Oh man, so many people's lives are soooooooo miserable because of an internet forum :rolleyes:.

like_that;1424014 wrote:

It is not every dicussion. GTFO, dramatic much?

Didn't say it was. Lie much?

queencitybuckeye;1424019 wrote:Didn't say it was. Lie much?

Why are you being so confrontational!!!! Can't we all just get along?