Terry_Tate;1381089 wrote:Cleveland is 66/1 odds to win the Super Bowl next year. Place your bets now!

$500 x 66 = house paid off

SportsAndLady;1380721 wrote:That was really bad.

But I really think every GM in the NFL would have taken Russell #1.

this may be true, but any normal person could see he would flop. He had an inconsistent college career that was highlighted by lighting up a terrible ND defense in a bowl game. The main talk was that he could throw the ball a long way....hell, so could Jeff George. It is so retarded that all these gms fall in love with certain things and don't take into account things like decision making and other things that really make a difference.

I don't blame any GM for their picks if they were working under Al Davis at the time. Let's be honest, he made the picks.

CLEconomically Speaking;1381386 wrote:$500 x 66 = house paid off

better tell your dad!

[h=3]Cleveland's need in the 3-4 [/h]January, 31, 2013 Jan 31
10:59
AM ET

By Tim Kavanagh | ESPN.com

• Recommend0
• Comments1
• Email
• Print

The Cleveland Browns have made the decision to push forward with a switch to a 3-4 alignment on defense, led by Ray Horton, the architect of the same in Arizona last season. We've seen a number of opinions on how they'll go about doing this, as well as what needs remain to be filled for it to happen.

In comments Wednesday, former Browns LB Scott Fujita -- who has played both in a 3-4 and a 4-3 system during his NFL career -- addressed the issues the Browns will face, and how they may overcome them with a player currently on the roster. The biggest hurdle appears to be finding a strong-side OLB to play opposite Jabaal Sheard, who will be moving to the weak-side OLB position from his DE spot.

"If you have a solid Sam [strong-side linebacker] like a Chris Gocong, who can set the edge [against the run], drop back [in pass coverage], and rush a little bit, and a stand-up, open side end/outside linebacker like Sheard, while keeping your interior defensive linemen on half a man rather than head up, then you can have some flexibility," Fujita explained, per ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi. "From that front, it's easy to slide the Sam back into a stack position, move the interior tackles over a gap, and put the open end's hand back in the dirt, and you've got a traditional 4-3 'over' front."

Whether it's Gocong or a player they find in free agency -- Anthony Spencer is mentioned a lot -- or the draft (which happens to be chock full of players of this ilk), this will be the big question mark as we transition into the 2013 campaign.

SMH, really hate the move to a 3-4.

Commander of Awesome;1381923 wrote:SMH, really hate the move to a 3-4.

I really hate fans that want a coach to run a certain scheme.

bases_loaded;1381926 wrote:I really hate fans that want a coach to run a certain scheme.

You're right, we should go back to the Patty Derpmur Offensive scheme as well! /sarcasm

Commander of Awesome;1381989 wrote:You're right, we should go back to the Patty Derpmur Offensive scheme as well! /sarcasm

We have one of the top defensive coordinators in the game. Let him get his guys for his scheme. That has a lot better chance of working than the opposite. I'm sure you're on speed dial though if it fails. Now back to minimizing the cheetoh stains on your shirt so mommy don't get mad.

Who cares? Next year it will be the same shit. 4-12 after three years chud will be fired along with banner and Lombardi then we will switch back to the 4-3.

bases_loaded;1381998 wrote:We have one of the top defensive coordinators in the game. Let him get his guys for his scheme. That has a lot better chance of working than the opposite. I'm sure you're on speed dial though if it fails. Now back to minimizing the cheetoh stains on your shirt so mommy don't get mad.

We do? 17th ranked in terms of points, 28th in rushing yards. Nice fail buddy. Glad you know best though :rolleyes:

Man I love it when stats come back to bite people in the ass.

Commander of Awesome;1382009 wrote:We do? 17th ranked in terms of points, 28th in rushing yards. Nice fail buddy. Glad you know best though :rolleyes:

Man I love it when stats come back to bite people in the ass.

How did they do before they had guys like you in at QB? Their offense was turrible.

Hate when logic gets in the way of stats. Back to the couch. Cheetos and Mt Dew

Commander of Awesome;1382009 wrote:We do? 17th ranked in terms of points, 28th in rushing yards. Nice fail buddy. Glad you know best though :rolleyes:

Man I love it when stats come back to bite people in the ass.

Come on COA I know you're better than that. Just because you don't like the 3-4 don't make it sound like Horton isn't good at what he coached in Arizona. As a Browns fan you know teams with terrible offenses appear to have shitty defenses because of how long they play. Break it down to how they perform per possession and you'll see Arizona had a better defense than the Browns.

"In 2012, Horton guided a defensive unit that led the NFL in passer rating allowed (71.2) and interception percentage (4.4). His defense also ranked second in the NFL in interceptions (22) and third-down efficiency (32.9 percent), third in red zone defense (44.4 percent) and fourth in takeaways (33). The defense also ranked fifth in passing defense (200.8 ypg), first downs allowed (288) and points allowed per drive (1.42)."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/01/ray_horton_hired_as_defensive.html

bases_loaded;1382011 wrote:How did they do before they had guys like you in at QB? Their offense was turrible.

Hate when logic gets in the way of stats. Back to the couch. Cheetos and Mt Dew

lol I see, another cheetos joke! Since it wasn't funny the first time, def funny the second time! /sarcasm

They had a good defense for the first 4 games of the season. You think the Browns QB situation is any better than theirs? Not sure what a QB has to do with the defense, unless you're going to cite the TOP argument, which I will just tell you if a fail argument and I will pwn you stats again on that.

Back to your trailer kitchen bench with your Doritos taco bell! /bases_failed

mucalum49;1382014 wrote:Come on COA I know you're better than that. Just because you don't like the 3-4 don't make it sound like Horton isn't good at what he coached in Arizona. As a Browns fan you know teams with terrible offenses appear to have shitty defenses because of how long they play. Break it down to how they perform per possession and you'll see Arizona had a better defense than the Browns.

"In 2012, Horton guided a defensive unit that led the NFL in passer rating allowed (71.2) and interception percentage (4.4). His defense also ranked second in the NFL in interceptions (22) and third-down efficiency (32.9 percent), third in red zone defense (44.4 percent) and fourth in takeaways (33). The defense also ranked fifth in passing defense (200.8 ypg), first downs allowed (288) and points allowed per drive (1.42)."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/01/ray_horton_hired_as_defensive.html

As you know Mucalum, take aways for a defense are completyely inconsistent and less reliable that a MLB bullpen from year to year. Look at the Bengals with Palmer the year they played the Steelers in the post season. Defense was #1 in take aways, next season middle of the pack. You CAN NOT rely on ints to make your defense. What you can rely on is STOPPING THE RUN. Which they were fucking terrible at. People in this thread last year when the Browns were ranked 10th pointed that out. We were the #1 Pass def that year, which ppl pointed to being a flaw bc we couldnt stop anyone on the ground. Come on guys, use your fucking heads.

"Can't stop the run? You cant stop shit, YOU ARE SHIT! HIT THE BRICKS PAL And BEAT IT because you are out!"

Commander of Awesome;1382019 wrote:As you know Mucalum, take aways for a defense are completyely inconsistent and less reliable that a MLB bullpen from year to year. Look at the Bengals with Palmer the year they played the Steelers in the post season. Defense was #1 in take aways, next season middle of the pack. You CAN NOT rely on ints to make your defense. What you can rely on is STOPPING THE RUN. Which they were fucking terrible at. People in this thread last year when the Browns were ranked 10th pointed that out. We were the #1 Pass def that year, which ppl pointed to being a flaw bc we couldnt stop anyone on the ground. Come on guys, use your fucking heads.

Agreed. However using last years total stats to prove your point that Horton isn't a good DC is ok? Yet using stats to say bases_loaded may not have been reaching saying we have a top DC is not ok? Got it now..

Also another point with defenses and QB. If you have a good QB and a high powered offense, than you're putting up a lot of points and making the other team throw it to catch up. Which equals yards which, anyone? THat's RIGHT Causes you're defensive rankings to go down. Nice using your brains fail guys.

mucalum49;1382027 wrote:Agreed. However using last years total stats to prove your point that Horton isn't a good DC is ok? Yet using stats to say bases_loaded may not have been reaching saying we have a top DC is not ok? Got it now..

Anyway you look at the stats, Horton isn't a top DC. Not sure what you're getting at.

Who cares? Next year it will be the same shit. 4-12 after three years chud will be fired along with banner and Lombardi then we will switch back to the 4-3.

shook_17;1381999 wrote:Who cares? Next year it will be the same shit. 4-12 after three years chud will be fired along with banner and Lombardi then we will switch back to the 4-3.

shook_17;1382049 wrote:Who cares? Next year it will be the same shit. 4-12 after three years chud will be fired along with banner and Lombardi then we will switch back to the 4-3.

You said that already.


THE WORLD IS ENDING

Pick6;1382058 wrote:You said that already.


THE WORLD IS ENDING

Browns are moving to LA next year so who cares.

Shouldn't matter what the defense does. Weeden is now in an offense that suits him, and he will most likely light it up.

Who cares? Next year it will be the same shit. 4-12 after three years chud will be fired along with banner and Lombardi then we will switch back to the 4-3.

Commander of Awesome;1382016 wrote:lol I see, another cheetos joke! Since it wasn't funny the first time, def funny the second time! /sarcasm

They had a good defense for the first 4 games of the season. You think the Browns QB situation is any better than theirs? Not sure what a QB has to do with the defense, unless you're going to cite the TOP argument, which I will just tell you if a fail argument and I will pwn you stats again on that.

Back to your trailer kitchen bench with your Doritos taco bell! /bases_failed

Cheetos jokes were funny both times. Doritos joke was uninspired. You're better than that. Try again.