ts1227;1363599 wrote:Don't start your shit, considering the fans were damn critical of him in his second year as OC

Really nice, solid contribution to the thread. I give this post an A+, would read again.

SportsAndLady;1363602 wrote:Really nice, solid contribution to the thread. I give this post an A+, would read again.

Or we can derail it as usual, I don't really give a shit.

ts1227;1363603 wrote:Or we can derail it as usual, I don't really give a shit.

Thousand posts in not even 2 weeks. Last one had 10k+. Yeah, these reeeeeally get derailed; no one wants to post on this thread!!

And if you "don't really give a shit" why did you post acting like you care?

SportsAndLady;1363600 wrote:Yes please!!

I'd definitely like to see this happen. What would people be ok with giving up?? I think the asking price would be too high considering the Raiders gave up like 300 first rounders for Palmer.

Rotinaj;1363613 wrote:I'd definitely like to see this happen. What would people be ok with giving up?? I think the asking price would be too high considering the Raiders gave up like 300 first rounders for Palmer.

Well if we're switching to a 3-4, I'd be okay with giving up Sheard as I don't think he'd make the transition to OLB. Sheard and a first rounder, give me Rivers.

Sucks that we can't just hire someone that everyone knows is a good HC and we don't have to keep justifying the hire...but this was a pretty good read from the Charlotte Observer

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/09/07/3512863/panthers-oc-rob-chudzinski-more.html#storylink=misearch

Actually, sounds like Sheard should fit the 3-4 in that they had him operating from a 2 point stance half of the season.

As far as a transition to the 3-4 defense I'm going to cut & paste SOBO's (OBR-former coach, etc) opinion on how they'll make that transition (here's his quote):

So let's just look at from a very basic perspective...

DE - Taylor, very good athlete and penetrating presence. Physically very similar to Ngata.
NT - Rubin, already experienced and was very solid at the position already.
DE - Rucker/Winn, think of L.Castillo and how he was used in San Diego. Don't have to be 310 LB to likely play this version. Won't be Pats version. Both strong against run.

Jack LB - Sheard, already played half this season rushing from 2 point. This position is the primary rusher like Suggs or Ware.
Mike - D'Qwell, obviously experienced and will be even better behind current talent up front.
Buck - Gocong/JMJ/Robertson, let them compete. Shouldn't be an issue.
Sam - ???, this is the one question mark. But the bookend to Sheard was already the one question mark. No. 6 could easily draft D.Jordan, J.Jones or D.Moore to fill the role.

BR1986FB;1363631 wrote:Actually, sounds like Sheard should fit the 3-4 in that they had him operating from a 2 point stance half of the season.

As far as a transition to the 3-4 defense I'm going to cut & paste SOBO's (OBR-former coach, etc) opinion on how they'll make that transition (here's his quote):

So let's just look at from a very basic perspective...

DE - Taylor, very good athlete and penetrating presence. Physically very similar to Ngata.
NT - Rubin, already experienced and was very solid at the position already.
DE - Rucker/Winn, think of L.Castillo and how he was used in San Diego. Don't have to be 310 LB to likely play this version. Won't be Pats version. Both strong against run.

Jack LB - Sheard, already played half this season rushing from 2 point. This position is the primary rusher like Suggs or Ware.
Mike - D'Qwell, obviously experienced and will be even better behind current talent up front.
Buck - Gocong/JMJ/Robertson, let them compete. Shouldn't be an issue.
Sam - ???, this is the one question mark. But the bookend to Sheard was already the one question mark. No. 6 could easily draft D.Jordan, J.Jones or D.Moore to fill the role.

I'm not necessarily saying it won't work here..I just would rather stick with the 4-3 just as personal preference. We've spent years building this team for the 4-3 defense, why would we just change it because of a HC change? DC is still here, leave the defense alone and keep adding playmakers to it! They're so close to becoming a 5-15 ranked defense, why not just keep it going? Why make a complete change just because 'it should probably work'? <--not directed at you or anyone in particular, just my thoughts on it.

Oh, I agree they should stick with the 4-3 because they don't need much to finish it off.

I'm not necessarily a proponent of the 3-4 because it's not easy to draft for. A) not many college teams run it and b) it's guesswork determining whether a college 4-3 DE can take his hand out of the dirt and excel in a 2 point. Too much of a crapshoot for my liking.

If we're switching to the 3-4 we have to go Jarvis jones/mingo at 6. I really want jones. He's the perfect fit with his pass rushing skills. If we can get Romeo as our d cord, I really really like the hire. Norv is a solid oc and will definitely use t rich more than shurmur. The offense fits weeden and the o line perfect.

BR1986FB;1363644 wrote:Oh, I agree they should stick with the 4-3 because they don't need much to finish it off.

I'm not necessarily a proponent of the 3-4 because it's not easy to draft for. A) not many college teams run it and b) it's guesswork determining whether a college 4-3 DE can take his hand out of the dirt and excel in a 2 point. Too much of a crapshoot for my liking.

You're starting to see more college teams run a 3-4. I think it's easier to draft that olb now than it was 4-5 years ago. That's why I want Jarvis jones. He played the 3-4 olb position and excelled in his roll as a pass rusher. His run stopping is iffy but that's why we need 2 mlb tackling machines.

Im not cool with taking someone at 6 who is iffy at stopping the run. That will be exploited in the NFL.

And if they aren't sold on Weeden, I wouldn't be surprised if Philip Rivers reunited with Norv in Cleveland.

No way. Rivers is 31 years old, the Browns need a... oh wait, nevermind, Weeden will be 30 next year.

SportsAndLady;1363667 wrote:Im not cool with taking someone at 6 who is iffy at stopping the run. That will be exploited in the NFL.

But he's young he has plenty of time to grow into a run stopper, but his pass rushing skills are the best you're gonna find coming out of college for an olb. We need a pass rusher so I would take him at 6.

SportsAndLady;1363667 wrote:Im not cool with taking someone at 6 who is iffy at stopping the run. That will be exploited in the NFL.

I think you have to use that pick on Milliner if he's available. Or package it with some other pieces and make a run at Josh Freeman. Chud could make him that guy we've been looking for in Cleveland

Crimson streak;1363649 wrote:You're starting to see more college teams run a 3-4. I think it's easier to draft that olb now than it was 4-5 years ago.

Excellent point. While I share some of Br's concerns, you are definitely right about being easier to draft now than 5 years ago

CLEconomically Speaking;1363672 wrote:I think you have to use that pick on Milliner if he's available. Or package it with some other pieces and make a run at Josh Freeman. Chud could make him that guy we've been looking for in Cleveland

No way you use the 6th pick for a corner if we're switching to the 3-4. We need an olb. I'd like to see them use FA to fill the corner and safety spots. The more I think about it I think mingo would be a perfect fit especially if they decide to keep Sheard as out pass rusher and sometimes put him with his hand on the ground. Mingo is a very good run stopper. I wish we had a 2nd rd pick though and if minter would slide to the early 2nd but oh well, josh Gordon was worth it.

Found this blurb on Norv Turner...

"Norv Turner learned the offense from longtime Coryell assistant, Ernie Zampese. As offensive coordinator with the Dallas Cowboys, Turner ran Coryell's offense a greater emphasis on sideline throws than the Chargers used.[SUP][20][/SUP] Turner's take on the Coryell system turned around the career of Hall of Fame QB Troy Aikman and has proven to be very successful with talented high draft picks struggling with the complexities of the NFL, such as Alex Smith. Turner' variant is not the most robust flavor of Coryell offense. It is a very sound, QB friendly scheme that favors taking controlled chances, like quicker midrange post passes to WRs off play action rather than slower developing passes that leave QBs exposed. It is almost exclusively run out of the pro set. Turner favors a more limited palette of plays than Coryell and most other Coryell disciples, instead insisting on precise execution. His offenses are usually towards the top of the league standings, but are often labeled predictable. His offenses tend to include a strong running game, a #1 WR who can stretch the field and catch jump balls in the end-zone, a good receiving TE to attack the space the WRs create in the middle of the field and a FB who fills the role of a lead blocker and a final option as an outlet receiver. In Dallas, Turner made RB Emmitt Smith & WR Michael Irvin Hall of Famers, and TE Jay Novacek a five time pro bowler. As head coach of the San Diego Chargers, Turner's system helped quarterback Philip Rivers set new franchise records for single-season quarterback rating and touchdown passes in 2008."

lhslep134;1363678 wrote:Excellent point. While I share some of Br's concerns, you are definitely right about being easier to draft now than 5 years ago

If you think about it all the elite defenses in the NCAA were 3-4 defenses. Lsu, Alabama, notre dame. You are seeing a lot more teams run the 3-4 with a olb that can put there hand in the ground on 3rd down to be a pass rusher.

BR1986FB;1363683 wrote:Found this blurb on Norv Turner...

"Norv Turner learned the offense from longtime Coryell assistant, Ernie Zampese. As offensive coordinator with the Dallas Cowboys, Turner ran Coryell's offense a greater emphasis on sideline throws than the Chargers used.[SUP][20][/SUP] Turner's take on the Coryell system turned around the career of Hall of Fame QB Troy Aikman and has proven to be very successful with talented high draft picks struggling with the complexities of the NFL, such as Alex Smith. Turner' variant is not the most robust flavor of Coryell offense. It is a very sound, QB friendly scheme that favors taking controlled chances, like quicker midrange post passes to WRs off play action rather than slower developing passes that leave QBs exposed. It is almost exclusively run out of the pro set. Turner favors a more limited palette of plays than Coryell and most other Coryell disciples, instead insisting on precise execution. His offenses are usually towards the top of the league standings, but are often labeled predictable. His offenses tend to include a strong running game, a #1 WR who can stretch the field and catch jump balls in the end-zone, a good receiving TE to attack the space the WRs create in the middle of the field and a FB who fills the role of a lead blocker and a final option as an outlet receiver. In Dallas, Turner made RB Emmitt Smith & WR Michael Irvin Hall of Famers, and TE Jay Novacek a five time pro bowler. As head coach of the San Diego Chargers, Turner's system helped quarterback Philip Rivers set new franchise records for single-season quarterback rating and touchdown passes in 2008."

Good read, thanks BR and welcome back. Give me Norv at OC, Levitre and Rodgers-Cromartie in free agency, a pass rushing OLB in the draft as well as o-line and defensive depth and I think we'd be much improved.

mucalum49;1363691 wrote:Good read, thanks BR and welcome back. Give me Norv at OC, Levitre and Rodgers-Cromartie in free agency, a pass rushing OLB in the draft as well as o-line and defensive depth and I think we'd be much improved.

I'd like Levitre but I think a more realistic choice may be Geoff Schwartz of the Vikings. Levitre will be highly coveted and they may have a better shot to land Schwartz with him being able to play next to his younger brother (Mitchell) on the right side. Plus he's young at 26.

BR1986FB;1363693 wrote:I'd like Levitre but I think a more realistic choice may be Geoff Schwartz of the Vikings. Levitre will be highly coveted and they may have a better shot to land Schwartz with him being able to play next to his younger brother (Mitchell) on the right side. Plus he's young at 26.

Good point. Played for Chud last season in Carolina too so there are multiple connections that could make it a good fit.

I am iffy at best on Chud. Love the Norv hire as our OC. Chud was ran out of town due to the fact that Derek Anderson sucked ass. Tony Grossi tweeted last night something along the lines of "don't be surprised to see Anderson back in Cleveland.. I'm serious" brought out the lulz

If we go 3-4 I'd love for the coach to be Romeo Crennel, he is a great DC. But you have to go OLB with the 6th overall pick.

shook_17;1363717 wrote:I am iffy at best on Chud. Love the Norv hire as our OC. Chud was ran out of town due to the fact that Derek Anderson sucked ass. Tony Grossi tweeted last night something along the lines of "don't be surprised to see Anderson back in Cleveland.. I'm serious" brought out the lulz

If we go 3-4 I'd love for the coach to be Romeo Crennel, he is a great DC. But you have to go OLB with the 6th overall pick.

I wouldn't be surprised to see DA brought in as a backup. He seems to have followed Chud around.

Just say no to 3-4. Got a good thing going, don't fuck it up.