like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 6, 2013 2:32pm
You make too many fucking excuses for teams that don't make the playoffs. They didn't get to the playoffs with Cutler this year, not sure what makes you think they would have made it last year with him?Classyposter58;1359107 wrote:Last year they would have made the playoffs if Cutler doesn't get hurt. This year was just bad luck that a 10-6 team missed the playoffs
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Jan 6, 2013 2:40pm
Cutler is the second-to-worst QB in the NFL, and he's an asshat. Without Brandon Marshall he would've been cut.Classyposter58;1359107 wrote:Last year they would have made the playoffs if Cutler doesn't get hurt. This year was just bad luck that a 10-6 team missed the playoffs
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Jan 6, 2013 2:54pm
GOONx19;1359130 wrote:Cutler is the second-to-worst QB in the NFL, and he's an asshat. Without Brandon Marshall he would've been cut.
That's just foolish. There are two quarterbacks on the browns worse than cutler
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jan 6, 2013 2:55pm
GOONx19;1359130 wrote:Cutler is the second-to-worst QB in the NFL, and he's an asshat. Without Brandon Marshall he would've been cut.
If this is serious, your credibility is now gone.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 6, 2013 2:55pm
Lovie didn't always have the tools to get it done in Chicago. When they had a great defense a few years ago, the offense sucked (sexy Rexy). When the offense somewhat caught up, the defense got old.like_that;1359118 wrote:You make too many fucking excuses for teams that don't make the playoffs. They didn't get to the playoffs with Cutler this year, not sure what makes you think they would have made it last year with him?
I don't know if he could have done any better with what he had in Chicago. Much rather be 10-6 than 5-11. 10-6 most years is a playoff lock.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 6, 2013 3:02pm
They went 3-5 the second half of the season. It wasn't bad luck, it was a total choke.Classyposter58;1359107 wrote:Last year they would have made the playoffs if Cutler doesn't get hurt. This year was just bad luck that a 10-6 team missed the playoffs
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Jan 6, 2013 3:04pm
gport_tennis;1359147 wrote:That's just foolish. There are two quarterbacks on the browns worse than cutler
Twas a joke. Except the asshat part.jordo212000;1359148 wrote:If this is serious, your credibility is now gone.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 6, 2013 3:05pm
Cutler was out at least 1 1/2 of those games. But I don't think choked as much as the true team started showing itself. The defense had so many takeaways and scores the first 8 games, you just knew they couldn't sustain that. They didn't.Mulva;1359162 wrote:They went 3-5 the second half of the season. It wasn't bad luck, it was a total choke.
I'd like to see what Lovie could do elsewhere.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jan 6, 2013 3:25pm
I think he is a good coach, but the facts are that he hasn't made the playoffs lately, thus he is not a big fishClassyposter58;1359107 wrote:Last year they would have made the playoffs if Cutler doesn't get hurt. This year was just bad luck that a 10-6 team missed the playoffs
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 6, 2013 3:26pm
I think Lovie could get the Browns to the edge of the playoffs (Bengals-like) but piss the fans off while doing it.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jan 6, 2013 3:32pm
C'mon guys.
Lovie hasn't made the playoffs lately? 9 seasons, 6 .500 or over. 2 were within 1 game of .500. 3 playoff appearances in 9 years. 81-63 record.
In that same span, Cleveland has only had 1 .500 or better season. 0 were within 1 game of .500. 0 playoff appearances. 49-97 record.
Cleveland would be lucky to get Lovie. Wes, to say Lovie isn't a big fish, especially for Cleveland, is ridiculous.
Lovie hasn't made the playoffs lately? 9 seasons, 6 .500 or over. 2 were within 1 game of .500. 3 playoff appearances in 9 years. 81-63 record.
In that same span, Cleveland has only had 1 .500 or better season. 0 were within 1 game of .500. 0 playoff appearances. 49-97 record.
Cleveland would be lucky to get Lovie. Wes, to say Lovie isn't a big fish, especially for Cleveland, is ridiculous.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jan 6, 2013 3:35pm
I am saying that he isn't hyped as much because of his teams lack of playoffs....I would be perfectly content with him as the coach.hasbeen;1359195 wrote:C'mon guys.
Lovie hasn't made the playoffs lately? 9 seasons, 6 .500 or over. 2 were within 1 game of .500. 3 playoff appearances in 9 years. 81-63 record.
In that same span, Cleveland has only had 1 .500 or better season. 0 were within 1 game of .500. 0 playoff appearances. 49-97 record.
Cleveland would be lucky to get Lovie. Wes, to say Lovie isn't a big fish, especially for Cleveland, is ridiculous.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 6, 2013 3:36pm
hasbeen;1359195 wrote:C'mon guys.
Lovie hasn't made the playoffs lately? 9 seasons, 6 .500 or over. 2 were within 1 game of .500. 3 playoff appearances in 9 years. 81-63 record.
In that same span, Cleveland has only had 1 .500 or better season. 0 were within 1 game of .500. 0 playoff appearances. 49-97 record.
Cleveland would be lucky to get Lovie. Wes, to say Lovie isn't a big fish, especially for Cleveland, is ridiculous.
I can't speak for their fans.....Lovie would be an improvement, but what Lovie has done is not what the Browns ultimately want. Lovie consistently was getting into the playoffs (and I'm sure they'd love that for a year or two)....but they want a championship team over the long haul of the coaching hire....not the Bengals or Bears or Cowboys.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 6, 2013 3:36pm
Norv Turner went 56-40 in 6 years at San Diego. 3 playoff appearances. Worst record was 7-9. Maybe the Browns should give him a look too?
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jan 6, 2013 3:38pm
Okay I'm with you. Just doesn't make sense to me.wes_mantooth;1359197 wrote:I am saying that he isn't hyped as much because of his teams lack of playoffs....I would be perfectly content with him as the coach.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 6, 2013 3:39pm
Mulva;1359200 wrote:Norv Turner went 56-40 in 6 years at San Diego. 3 playoff appearances. Worst record was 7-9. Maybe the Browns should give him a look too?
Lol......also took over a 14-2 team.
Good point though.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jan 6, 2013 3:45pm
hasbeen;1359195 wrote:C'mon guys.
Lovie hasn't made the playoffs lately? 9 seasons, 6 .500 or over. 2 were within 1 game of .500. 3 playoff appearances in 9 years. 81-63 record.
In that same span, Cleveland has only had 1 .500 or better season. 0 were within 1 game of .500. 0 playoff appearances. 49-97 record.
Cleveland would be lucky to get Lovie. Wes, to say Lovie isn't a big fish, especially for Cleveland, is ridiculous.
Don't forget the Super Bowl appearance
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jan 6, 2013 3:46pm
Every team wants a championship team, but the Browns need to realize they should get some consistency first. Lovie has done that as a HC.Ironman92;1359199 wrote:I can't speak for their fans.....Lovie would be an improvement, but what Lovie has done is not what the Browns ultimately want. Lovie consistently was getting into the playoffs (and I'm sure they'd love that for a year or two)....but they want a championship team over the long haul of the coaching hire....not the Bengals or Bears or Cowboys.
Norv is also 114-122 in his career as a HC. Difference between Norv and Lovie is that Lovie is still considered a good head football coach. Everyone knew Norv was out because of how bad SD would look. Lovie's firing was a surprise to most.Mulva;1359200 wrote:Norv Turner went 56-40 in 6 years at San Diego. 3 playoff appearances. Worst record was 7-9. Maybe the Browns should give him a look too?
I'm not a Browns fan and I don't care, but if I were a fan I'd want a head coach with NFL consistency and Lovie would provide that.
I also think Arians would be great for them.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jan 6, 2013 3:50pm
hasbeen;1359206 wrote:Every team wants a championship team, but the Browns need to realize they should get some consistency first. Lovie has done that as a HC.
Exactly how I would be thinking as well
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 6, 2013 3:56pm
hasbeen;1359206 wrote:Every team wants a championship team, but the Browns need to realize they should get some consistency first. Lovie has done that as a HC.
Norv is also 114-122 in his career as a HC. Difference between Norv and Lovie is that Lovie is still considered a good head football coach. Everyone knew Norv was out because of how bad SD would look. Lovie's firing was a surprise to most.
I'm not a Browns fan and I don't care, but if I were a fan I'd want a head coach with NFL consistency and Lovie would provide that.
I also think Arians would be great for them.
Yeah and that same type of thinking is what got the Browns weeden. "Well (insert name) won't suck ass like (insert name), so its ok to hire/draft him."jordo212000;1359209 wrote:Exactly how I would be thinking as well
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jan 6, 2013 3:58pm
I don't think my reasoning for hiring Lovie was because "he won't suck ass like Norv Turner." I believe my reasoning was that he has a track record of consistently good football teams and, I think, would be a good fit for Cleveland.like_that;1359210 wrote:Yeah and that same type of thinking is what got the Browns weeden. "Well (insert name) won't suck ass like (insert name), so its ok to hire/draft him."
Not sure how hard that is.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 6, 2013 3:59pm
I look at Lovie Smith like I do with Dusty Baker and the Reds. Yeah, he got us to the playoffs. But I hate him now that we're there (mainly because he'll never win the WS). No thanks on Lovie.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 6, 2013 3:59pm
That is terrible, backwards logic. Just because we've been shitty we should be happy with average?hasbeen;1359195 wrote:C'mon guys.
Lovie hasn't made the playoffs lately? 9 seasons, 6 .500 or over. 2 were within 1 game of .500. 3 playoff appearances in 9 years. 81-63 record.
In that same span, Cleveland has only had 1 .500 or better season. 0 were within 1 game of .500. 0 playoff appearances. 49-97 record.
Cleveland would be lucky to get Lovie. Wes, to say Lovie isn't a big fish, especially for Cleveland, is ridiculous.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jan 6, 2013 4:01pm
I wouldn't be happy with average and I don't think Lovie is average. Lovie is a consistent winner.SportsAndLady;1359215 wrote:That is terrible, backwards logic. Just because we've been shitty we should be happy with average?
Who, that's available, has more consistent success than Lovie?
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BunkMoreland
Posts: 9
Jan 6, 2013 4:02pm
Does Cleveland just have no interest in Mike McCoy? He seems to be on a lot of short list's, except Cleveland's.