Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 30, 2013 1:29pm
Wonder if Brown or Winfield become one yr stop gaps to pair next to Haden.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Mar 30, 2013 2:18pm
Winfield would work for me. I'm not totally against picking Milliner. But I would rather trade back and pick up a second. (If they could find a partner)Commander of Awesome;1416946 wrote:Wonder if Brown or Winfield become one yr stop gaps to pair next to Haden.
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Mar 30, 2013 6:18pm
would love for geno smith to still be there when the browns pick to better entice a trade down...hopefully be able to pick up a second rounder from one of the three qb-starved teams behind clevelandshook_17;1416943 wrote:Hello Millner or trade down for Rhodes.
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OhioStatePride2003
Posts: 686
Mar 31, 2013 4:30pm
Definitely hope the Browns trade down, but Lombardi's lack of success in the draft causes me a lot of concern.
The best thing the Browns could do is trade down, given they find a partner, which I think they can, and draft one of the stud guards - preferably Warmack - and pick up a 2nd. Period. I think a majority of us agree on that one.
If they can't trade down, I see nothing wrong with drafting Warmack anyway. This year's draft, imo, doesn't really give us a clear #1 pick, and the top five is as big of a crap-shoot as it has ever been. Players chosen in the top ten of this year's draft, may be late first/early second round picks in other drafts. Plus, I've seen a few mock drafts that have the Cardinals and, now, Bills (with Kobb signing) taking Warmack and Cooper, respectively, and they're right behind us. I'd hate to lose out on Warmack because Lombardi has the "you don't draft a guard that high" mentality, just to watch the Cards or Bills take him. That mentality may be alright in other drafts, but I don't think that logic should apply to this year's draft.
If this draft is going to be known for the depth along the offensive/defensive lines, why wouldn't you take the best available to ensure yourself of, potentially, one of the premier lineman in the league?
I would much rather draft Warmack at 6 and secure our line for years and years to come, than draft Milliner who is going to be every bit the bust he's building up to be. Everyone talks about the depth along the trenches in this year's draft, but I think it's just about as equally deep at corner. Terry Hawthorne and Josh Johnson are both solid corners from the Big Ten (just a couple players I've seen player throughout their careers) who will can be had in the later rounds for sure. (Speaking of Big Ten CB, what happened to Johnny Adams from Michigan State? Thought he'd be a stud.)
Point is, this year's draft is should be hard to screw-up even for Lombardi and Banner. Milliner would definitely be a mistake, and shouldn't be drafted that high. Warmack, or even Cooper in my opinion, would give the Browns 4 Pro-Bowl caliber o-lineman, and would eliminate a chunk of excuses for Weeden should he flop in his second year.
The best thing the Browns could do is trade down, given they find a partner, which I think they can, and draft one of the stud guards - preferably Warmack - and pick up a 2nd. Period. I think a majority of us agree on that one.
If they can't trade down, I see nothing wrong with drafting Warmack anyway. This year's draft, imo, doesn't really give us a clear #1 pick, and the top five is as big of a crap-shoot as it has ever been. Players chosen in the top ten of this year's draft, may be late first/early second round picks in other drafts. Plus, I've seen a few mock drafts that have the Cardinals and, now, Bills (with Kobb signing) taking Warmack and Cooper, respectively, and they're right behind us. I'd hate to lose out on Warmack because Lombardi has the "you don't draft a guard that high" mentality, just to watch the Cards or Bills take him. That mentality may be alright in other drafts, but I don't think that logic should apply to this year's draft.
If this draft is going to be known for the depth along the offensive/defensive lines, why wouldn't you take the best available to ensure yourself of, potentially, one of the premier lineman in the league?
I would much rather draft Warmack at 6 and secure our line for years and years to come, than draft Milliner who is going to be every bit the bust he's building up to be. Everyone talks about the depth along the trenches in this year's draft, but I think it's just about as equally deep at corner. Terry Hawthorne and Josh Johnson are both solid corners from the Big Ten (just a couple players I've seen player throughout their careers) who will can be had in the later rounds for sure. (Speaking of Big Ten CB, what happened to Johnny Adams from Michigan State? Thought he'd be a stud.)
Point is, this year's draft is should be hard to screw-up even for Lombardi and Banner. Milliner would definitely be a mistake, and shouldn't be drafted that high. Warmack, or even Cooper in my opinion, would give the Browns 4 Pro-Bowl caliber o-lineman, and would eliminate a chunk of excuses for Weeden should he flop in his second year.
Commander of Awesome
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Apr 1, 2013 3:33pm
http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/rob-rang/21983920/nfl-draft-cleveland-browns-spotlight
NFLDraftScout.com
[h=1]2013 NFL Draft: Cleveland Browns spotlight[/h]By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
March 31, 2013 2:07 pm ET
Since the Browns returned to the NFL in 1999, wins have been few and far between and the term “rebuilding” has been the franchise's slogan. But with new owner Jimmy Haslam calling the shots, he has hired several smart business and football minds to give Cleveland fans hope for the future, both short and long term.
The first order of business for Haslam and newly appointed CEO Joe Banner was to find the best head coach to lead the Browns in the right direction. That search ended with Ohio native Rob Chudzinski, who had two previous stints as an assistant coach in Cleveland and is considered one of the brightest offensive minds in the NFL. Besides his prowess calling plays, Chudzinski also has an eye for talent.
“From an overall standpoint, we're looking for good people, good athletes and good players,” Chudzinski said at last month's NFL Combine in response to the type of players whom he wants. “Guys that are tough, guys that won't be outworked by anybody. I want guys that want to be Cleveland Browns and want to be in Cleveland want to be part of something special."
First-year general manager Michael Lombardi will likely have final say when it comes to the roster and the draft, but Chudzinski will also have a strong voice in the evaluation process. Cleveland has needs at linebacker, offensive guard and in the secondary at cornerback and free safety. With the sixth overall pick, will they look to address one of those needs or select the best player available?
“You're always looking to address the needs that you have whether it's in the draft or free agency,” Chudzinski said. “But, you want to get the best players possible and sometimes you have to be careful about forcing something that's not there so you find the best players. We have enough needs and enough openings that we need to find the best players and bring the best players to Cleveland and let them compete for starting job and to help us get better to win.”
Despite five wins or less in each of the past five seasons, the Browns have stockpiled some of the best young talent in the league. There are still some obvious needs and depth issues, but Cleveland's roster is a few players away from competing for the top spot in the AFC North.
Cleveland Browns 2013 draft picks: 6, 68, 104, 139, 173, 175
Primary needs: CB, OLB, FS, OG
General manager: Michael Lombardi, first season
Five draft picks that clicked:
-- WR Josh Gordon, 2012 Supplemental Draft
-- OT Mitchell Schwartz, 37th overall, 2012
-- DE Jabaal Sheard, 37th overall, 2011
-- SS T.J. Ward, 38th overall, 2010
-- DT Ahtyba Rubin, 190th overall, 2008
Five players who should be on the Cleveland Browns draft radar:
Player, school (overall rating, position rating)
CB Dee Milliner, Alabama (5, 1)
Despite one of the best young cornerbacks in the league already on the roster (Joe Haden), the Browns finished near the bottom of the league in pass defense last season. And with incumbent starter Sheldon Brown currently a free agent, Cleveland has a need to fill opposite Haden. Millliner has above-average speed, aggressiveness and collegiate resume, but his most impressive attribute might be his instincts, allowing him to play tight coverage up and down the field. Pairing Milliner with Haden would give the Browns two former SEC standouts and the best young cornerback duo in the league.
OLB Sio Moore, Connecticut (66, 6)
As the Browns transition to a 3-4 defensive scheme under coordinator Ray Horton, the front office will look to draft depth in the front seven, especially at linebacker. Moore lined up as a “SAM” linebacker spot in college, showing the versatility to drop in space and cover or put his hand on the ground and bend the edge as a pass rusher. He still has room to grow in certain areas, especially if he transitions to a 3-4 scheme, but his versatility will allow him to add depth and play several roles in the Browns' new defense.
FS Josh Evans, USC (132, 7)
While Matt Elam receives the headlines as Florida's top safety prospect, Evans had a strong 2012 season himself and catapulted himself up draft boards. Although he has room to improve his anticipation in coverage, he displays the rangy speed and overall athleticism to hold up in the deep half of the field. Evans will attack plays in the box as a physical striker but also play man or zone and get his hands on the ball, finishing last season with a team-best three interceptions. Evans will have the chance to fight for a starting job, especially in Cleveland, where the free safety position is a question mark.
TE Nick Kasa, Colorado (149, 8)
This is one of those “connecting the dots” picks. The Browns added a few free-agent tight ends (Kellen Davis, Gary Barnidge), and there is still hope that Jordan Cameron sheds the “
roject” label. However, it wouldn't be shocking to see Cleveland add another tight end in the draft. Kasa makes a lot of sense due to fit in the offense and pro upside. Jon Embree, his head coach at Colorado, moved him from defensive end to tight end late in the 2011 season. So, understandably, Kasa still has a lot of work to do, but the potential is tough to ignore. Oh, and did I mention Embree is now the Browns' tight ends coach?
QB Ryan Griffin, Tulane (275, 14)
While the book on Brandon Weeden's tenure in Cleveland remains a work in progress, it wouldn't be a shock to see the Browns add a developmental quarterback in the later stages of the draft. Tulane managed just 11 wins the past four seasons with Griffin at the helm, but he showed steady improvement each year and has the tools and smarts to develop at the next level. He doesn't stand out in any one area, but he has enough size, arm strength and pocket mobility to earn a roster spot.
NFLDraftScout.com
[h=1]2013 NFL Draft: Cleveland Browns spotlight[/h]By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
March 31, 2013 2:07 pm ET
Since the Browns returned to the NFL in 1999, wins have been few and far between and the term “rebuilding” has been the franchise's slogan. But with new owner Jimmy Haslam calling the shots, he has hired several smart business and football minds to give Cleveland fans hope for the future, both short and long term.
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“From an overall standpoint, we're looking for good people, good athletes and good players,” Chudzinski said at last month's NFL Combine in response to the type of players whom he wants. “Guys that are tough, guys that won't be outworked by anybody. I want guys that want to be Cleveland Browns and want to be in Cleveland want to be part of something special."
First-year general manager Michael Lombardi will likely have final say when it comes to the roster and the draft, but Chudzinski will also have a strong voice in the evaluation process. Cleveland has needs at linebacker, offensive guard and in the secondary at cornerback and free safety. With the sixth overall pick, will they look to address one of those needs or select the best player available?
“You're always looking to address the needs that you have whether it's in the draft or free agency,” Chudzinski said. “But, you want to get the best players possible and sometimes you have to be careful about forcing something that's not there so you find the best players. We have enough needs and enough openings that we need to find the best players and bring the best players to Cleveland and let them compete for starting job and to help us get better to win.”
Despite five wins or less in each of the past five seasons, the Browns have stockpiled some of the best young talent in the league. There are still some obvious needs and depth issues, but Cleveland's roster is a few players away from competing for the top spot in the AFC North.
Cleveland Browns 2013 draft picks: 6, 68, 104, 139, 173, 175
Primary needs: CB, OLB, FS, OG
General manager: Michael Lombardi, first season
Five draft picks that clicked:
-- WR Josh Gordon, 2012 Supplemental Draft
-- OT Mitchell Schwartz, 37th overall, 2012
-- DE Jabaal Sheard, 37th overall, 2011
-- SS T.J. Ward, 38th overall, 2010
-- DT Ahtyba Rubin, 190th overall, 2008
Five players who should be on the Cleveland Browns draft radar:
Player, school (overall rating, position rating)
CB Dee Milliner, Alabama (5, 1)
Despite one of the best young cornerbacks in the league already on the roster (Joe Haden), the Browns finished near the bottom of the league in pass defense last season. And with incumbent starter Sheldon Brown currently a free agent, Cleveland has a need to fill opposite Haden. Millliner has above-average speed, aggressiveness and collegiate resume, but his most impressive attribute might be his instincts, allowing him to play tight coverage up and down the field. Pairing Milliner with Haden would give the Browns two former SEC standouts and the best young cornerback duo in the league.
OLB Sio Moore, Connecticut (66, 6)
As the Browns transition to a 3-4 defensive scheme under coordinator Ray Horton, the front office will look to draft depth in the front seven, especially at linebacker. Moore lined up as a “SAM” linebacker spot in college, showing the versatility to drop in space and cover or put his hand on the ground and bend the edge as a pass rusher. He still has room to grow in certain areas, especially if he transitions to a 3-4 scheme, but his versatility will allow him to add depth and play several roles in the Browns' new defense.
FS Josh Evans, USC (132, 7)
While Matt Elam receives the headlines as Florida's top safety prospect, Evans had a strong 2012 season himself and catapulted himself up draft boards. Although he has room to improve his anticipation in coverage, he displays the rangy speed and overall athleticism to hold up in the deep half of the field. Evans will attack plays in the box as a physical striker but also play man or zone and get his hands on the ball, finishing last season with a team-best three interceptions. Evans will have the chance to fight for a starting job, especially in Cleveland, where the free safety position is a question mark.
TE Nick Kasa, Colorado (149, 8)
This is one of those “connecting the dots” picks. The Browns added a few free-agent tight ends (Kellen Davis, Gary Barnidge), and there is still hope that Jordan Cameron sheds the “
roject” label. However, it wouldn't be shocking to see Cleveland add another tight end in the draft. Kasa makes a lot of sense due to fit in the offense and pro upside. Jon Embree, his head coach at Colorado, moved him from defensive end to tight end late in the 2011 season. So, understandably, Kasa still has a lot of work to do, but the potential is tough to ignore. Oh, and did I mention Embree is now the Browns' tight ends coach?QB Ryan Griffin, Tulane (275, 14)
While the book on Brandon Weeden's tenure in Cleveland remains a work in progress, it wouldn't be a shock to see the Browns add a developmental quarterback in the later stages of the draft. Tulane managed just 11 wins the past four seasons with Griffin at the helm, but he showed steady improvement each year and has the tools and smarts to develop at the next level. He doesn't stand out in any one area, but he has enough size, arm strength and pocket mobility to earn a roster spot.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Apr 1, 2013 4:40pm
Mccoy traded to niners
royal_k
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Apr 1, 2013 5:20pm
SMITTEMS
Posts: 309
Apr 1, 2013 5:24pm
McCoy and one of our sixth rounders for a fifth and a seventh
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Apr 1, 2013 5:27pm
I wanted a second, damnit!
hangonsloopy
Posts: 1,291
Apr 1, 2013 6:06pm
Not bad value. I figured they would get a 7th if they were lucky.
CLEconomically Speaking
Posts: 401
Apr 1, 2013 6:12pm
Niners are a lock to win the super bowl now
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 1, 2013 6:19pm
buh bye Colt. Its been real, its been fun, but it ain't been real fun. Deuces
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 1, 2013 6:33pm
Why do we give up a 6th? doesnt even make sense.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 1, 2013 6:45pm
Commander of Awesome;1418160 wrote:Why do we give up a 6th? doesnt even make sense.
It's not really a big deal. We gave up a guy we were going to cut and switched a 6th for a 5th and gained a 7th.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 1, 2013 6:51pm
yup. Good move in my eyes. Better than nothing.Crimson streak;1418163 wrote:It's not really a big deal. We gave up a guy we were going to cut and switched a 6th for a 5th and gained a 7th.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 1, 2013 7:57pm
Because Colt McCoy alone is not worth a 5th and a 7th.Commander of Awesome;1418160 wrote:Why do we give up a 6th? doesnt even make sense.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 1, 2013 8:14pm
Saw something on the OBR that the bucs were looking to trade Freeman? Id be interested in that
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 1, 2013 8:16pm
shook_17;1418195 wrote:Saw something on the OBR that the bucs were looking to trade Freeman? Id be interested in that
No thanks
Tigerfan00
Posts: 3,427
Apr 1, 2013 8:33pm
Hello, we have Jason Campbell.shook_17;1418195 wrote:Saw something on the OBR that the bucs were looking to trade Freeman? Id be interested in that
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 1, 2013 11:53pm
Weeden Gun offense baby!Tigerfan00;1418204 wrote:Hello, we have Jason Campbell.
CLEconomically Speaking
Posts: 401
Apr 1, 2013 11:54pm
I'd do it for the right price.. absolutely.shook_17;1418195 wrote:Saw something on the OBR that the bucs were looking to trade Freeman? Id be interested in that
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 2, 2013 8:39am
Anyone getting the feeling G Smith is going to be there at 6? And is anyone changing their thoughts on drafting him to sit behind Weeden for a year or two?
With all these teams snatching up QBs (Zona-Palmer, Raiders-Flynn), he just may be there.
If Warmack is there, I'd like for them to grab him; if the best pick is Millner, I'm saying grab Geno.
With all these teams snatching up QBs (Zona-Palmer, Raiders-Flynn), he just may be there.
If Warmack is there, I'd like for them to grab him; if the best pick is Millner, I'm saying grab Geno.
S
Sonofanump
Apr 2, 2013 8:45am
I thought you wanted a top flight franchise QB.SportsAndLady;1418341 wrote:I'm saying grab Geno.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 2, 2013 8:47am
It is of my opinion that Geno can be that. When we need to know the definition of encroachment, we'll shoot you a PM, sonofanump.Sonofanump;1418344 wrote:I thought you wanted a top flight franchise QB.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 2, 2013 8:51am
No, and I would be pissed. Also, no way Arizona signed Palmer to be a long term fill in at QB.SportsAndLady;1418341 wrote:Anyone getting the feeling G Smith is going to be there at 6? And is anyone changing their thoughts on drafting him to sit behind Weeden for a year or two? With all these teams snatching up QBs (Zona-Palmer, Raiders-Flynn), he just may be there. If Warmack is there, I'd like for them to grab him; if the best pick is Millner, I'm saying grab Geno.