I don't agree with that either...ernest_t_bass;1542921 wrote:See Penn State
rrfan;1542912 wrote:There are kids on the Steubenville team that had nothing to do with this and are not doing anything wrong. I am not in favor of punishing the entire team for the actions of what seems to be 5-10 people. However, those associated with this should be punished/lost jobs, kicked off teams, jail time...maybe more depending on what they knew. Seems to keep getting deeper with people that knew and tried to cover it up.
I am just playing the other side for the sake of discussion but if there are even 10-15 kids on that team that were looking forward to playing football their whole life why should they be punished for others?LJ;1542970 wrote:While I typically don't agree with punishing those that are innocent, the whole program is flawed. There is too much emphasis put on the program and people put way too much value on it. A year off in attempt to get the town and the school to shift their focus to what is really important is well worth it IMO.
Also, I feel that anyone who has enabled a high school football program to get bigger than the well being of kids should be held responsible in some fashion.
You know I would say it's a good lesson to learn. It's a lesson that the welfare of a human being is not more important than a game and if you disregard that welfare, the game is taken away.rrfan;1542973 wrote:I am just playing the other side for the sake of discussion but if there are even 10-15 kids on that team that were looking forward to playing football their whole life why should they be punished for others?
Completely disagree. The crazy HS fans created this situation with their undying love for the football team and the emphasis that is put on it.Nothing wrong with crazy HS fans until laws start getting broken.
So you're saying it's only 5% of the teams fault?rrfan;1542912 wrote:what seems to be 5-10 people.
Because life isn't fair? People wonder why young adults are spoiled or whatever these days, yet parents keep insisting on making sure everything is "fair" for little Johnny or Suzie, but unfortunately its not the way the world works.rrfan;1542973 wrote:if there are even 10-15 kids on that team that were looking forward to playing football their whole life why should they be punished for others?
Of all the things in the world they could be doing...this does not seem so bad. Obviously, there are places all over Ohio that are crazy HS fans but don't cover up crimes. That is all I am saying.LJ;1542977 wrote:
Completely disagree. The crazy HS fans created this situation with their undying love for the football team and the emphasis that is put on it.
I don't disagree with you. But is the majority bad or good on this team? I am not saying that it may not come down to an entire team/school suspension of the football team. Just saying that I would want to make sure that is the cure. Sounds like to me the kids have been coached/supervised by some bad people and that is not a correlation between HS Crazy Fans...Mooney44Cards;1542992 wrote:Because life isn't fair? People wonder why young adults are spoiled or whatever these days, yet parents keep insisting on making sure everything is "fair" for little Johnny or Suzie, but unfortunately its not the way the world works.
Innocent people suffer all the time for the actions of a few, pretty much since the dawn of time.
The fans aren't the ones covering it up. They are just putting so much emphasis on the team and winning that it causes those involved with the team to do the wrong thing.rrfan;1542993 wrote:Of all the things in the world they could be doing...this does not seem so bad. Obviously, there are places all over Ohio that are crazy HS fans but don't cover up crimes. That is all I am saying.
No, I am saying that coaches and superintendents may be as much or more of the problem. Fix that and fix the team. Any of the students or people involved in this crime should get the maximum penalty by law. Are you telling me the entire team was involved in this?TedSheckler;1542978 wrote:So you're saying it's only 5% of the teams fault?
^^^"Doesn't get the bit" guy...rrfan;1543002 wrote:No, I am saying that coaches and superintendents may be as much or more of the problem. Fix that and fix the team. Any of the students or people involved in this crime should get the maximum penalty by law. Are you telling me the entire team was involved in this?
That is a cop out and you know it. You are telling me that the fans want to win so bad that the superintendent will allow anything to happen to keep winning? Come on manLJ;1543001 wrote:The fans aren't the ones covering it up. They are just putting so much emphasis on the team and winning that it causes those involved with the team to do the wrong thing.
It happens all the time.
Do you really believe that McVey was Reno's boss other than on paper?rrfan;1543005 wrote:That is a cop out and you know it. You are telling me that the fans want to win so bad that the superintendent will allow anything to happen to keep winning? Come on man
Is that a problem with the kids or adults?queencitybuckeye;1543009 wrote:Do you really believe that McVey was Reno's boss other than on paper?
How is it a cop out? You are really out of touch if you think the community's over the top support for the football program has not caused this. The Super is put into place by the school board, the school board is elected by the community. The football boosters provide a ton of money to the athletic programs. If the whole city was up in arms about all of this and wanted them all fired and nothing was happening, I would say you have a point. Problem is they are not. They still stand behind the coach and the program. Why? Because they are fucking crazy.rrfan;1543005 wrote:That is a cop out and you know it. You are telling me that the fans want to win so bad that the superintendent will allow anything to happen to keep winning? Come on man
Okay I can't fight that one...LJ;1543013 wrote:How is it a cop out? You are really out of touch if you think the community's over the top support for the football program has not caused this. The Super is put into place by the school board, the school board is elected by the community. The football boosters provide a ton of money to the athletic programs. If the whole city was up in arms about all of this and wanted them all fired and nothing was happening, I would say you have a point. Problem is they are not. They still stand behind the coach and the program. Why? Because they are fucking crazy.
The adults create the environment the kids will be raised in. In this case, it's certainly unfortunate that the status quo will pretty much be allowed to continue.rrfan;1543011 wrote:Is that a problem with the kids or adults?
Two storied programs with some trouble surrounding them...Tiernan;1543030 wrote:Shit hole of a town inhabited by the lowest rungs of humanity. Hopefully they arrest Reno on the sideline during the Mooney game.
Speaking of which, I heard some Mooney people might get indicted because they own Steubenville.Tiernan;1543030 wrote:Shit hole of a town inhabited by the lowest rungs of humanity. Hopefully they arrest Reno on the sideline during the Mooney game.
Please, lets not equate the things Mooney has done with what happened at Steubenville. Breaking rules and breaking laws aren't even in the same stratosphere.rrfan;1543033 wrote:Two storied programs with some trouble surrounding them...
Rep! LOL!Mooney44Cards;1543036 wrote:Speaking of which, I heard some Mooney people might get indicted because they own Steubenville.
OHSAA statement on today's news: "The OHSAA does not have any involvement in the Steubenville case as the legal process is still ongoing."
Reps !!! I think you need to Tweet that one and watch the shit hit the fan.Mooney44Cards;1543036 wrote:Speaking of which, I heard some Mooney people might get indicted because they own Steubenville.