WebFire;1379591 wrote: Well, duh!

BoatShoes;1379592 wrote:Sure. Fine. You're getting too caught up into the particular facts of the case. If he'd had a baseball bat and he got closer...who knows. Guns exacerbate the negative consequences of human frailties and errors.

BoatShoes;1379594 wrote:By doing so you're missing the point....it was just an example to try to provide a factual context for more meta discussion.

BoatShoes;1379586 wrote:There are different degrees of immorality and even the law agrees. You're allowed to kill somebody who has attempted to use deadly force against you first in most jurisdictions.

BoatShoes;1379586 wrote:This guy claims he thought this person was going to attack him. You're getting too caught up in the exact facts of that particular case when i'm just trying to make a more general point here. I don't mean to trivialize this particular instance...it's merely a recently relevant example of how deaths can occur at the hands of a human shooting a gun in the haze of human error.

BoatShoes;1379588 wrote:You too are getting too caught up in the particular facts of the particular case...it is just a recently relevant example that people often make mistakes under a reasonably justified belief. Where you're from, if a person had a genuine belief that he was under attack (which I'm not saying this guy in this case did), I'm not sure we'd call him immoral if he used what he bought to defend his home to do just that.

Wyoming’s House of Representatives has passed legislation that attempts to exempt the state from proposed federal regulations restricting assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

The law would also charge federal officials who try to enforce the ban with a misdemeanor, reports CBS.

The state could have problems enforcing its own law. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that federal laws supersede state laws. It’s uncertain whether the block would be legally enforceable.

President Barack Obama has called for reinstituting a federal assault weapons ban following the shootings in Connecticut in December that killed 20 elementary school students. However, it’s far from certain whether there are enough Republicans who would join with Democrats to pass a renewal of the ban, as Republicans in general have been cool to the idea.

The Wyoming House also preliminarily approved a bill that would allow residents who hold permits to carry weapons on public school campuses, colleges, and on the grounds of the University of Wyoming.

Cleveland Buck;1380051 wrote:Gotta love nullification. Too bad they won't have the balls to enforce it.

Biden: New gun controls likely won't end shootings

WebFire;1382108 wrote:I don't understand this at all.



Then what is the point? Why are you doing this?

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/31/16794835-biden-new-gun-controls-likely-wont-end-shootings?lite

FatHobbit;1382112 wrote:No shit.

"Nothing we're going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to 1,000 a year from what it is now," Biden told reporters Thursday afternoon after he spent over an hour lunching with Democratic senators at the Capitol.

WebFire;1382118 wrote:Seriously. I don't get it.

WebFire;1382108 wrote:I don't understand this at all.



Then what is the point? Why are you doing this?

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/31/16794835-biden-new-gun-controls-likely-wont-end-shootings?lite

BoatShoes;1382142 wrote:If it is desirable to end gun violence...since the U.S. has significant obstacles to overcome on multiple fronts....it's important to start somewhere.

Con_Alma;1382146 wrote:If the goal is to end gun violence, this is hardly a start. What this current effort does is solidify the passionate appeal of defending the 2nd amendment. I don't believe for a moment these efforts are inspired to stop gun violence but rather they are further politicizing a foothold of ideology in continued effort to write the legacy of an administration.

BoatShoes;1382148 wrote:And, why do you believe this?

BoatShoes;1382142 wrote:If it is desirable to end gun violence...since the U.S. has significant obstacles to overcome on multiple fronts....it's important to start somewhere.

FatHobbit;1382133 wrote:He's either trying to make a big deal out of "helping the children" or setting the stage for the next round of gun laws.

WebFire;1382168 wrote:I'm not sure you set that stage by admitting it won't reduce gun violence. That's the only leg there is to stand on. If you aren't reducing gun death or crime, what reason is there for gun laws?

WebFire;1382168 wrote:I'm not sure you set that stage by admitting it won't reduce gun violence. That's the only leg there is to stand on. If you aren't reducing gun death or crime, what reason is there for gun laws?

WebFire;1382164 wrote:Desirable by whom? If we have significant obstacles to overcome, then it isn't desired.

Con_Alma;1382154 wrote:I don't believe the efforts are being pushed because they will stop gun violence because they are admitted to not have the ability to do so.

I believe most Presidents are concerned about their legacy to some degree although most don't act solely on it's behalf and especially if it were against their own ideology. I haven't seen any reason to think this President is any different.

BoatShoes;1382175 wrote:I think it's fair to say that having to shut down a treasonous insurrection by the Southern States in what amounted to a civil war that costs a great many American lives was ultimately worth it in the cause of ending slavery, wouldn't you?

justincredible;1382173 wrote:Eventual disarmament. Political theater. Both.

BoatShoes;1382175 wrote:You don't think it's desirable to reduce gun violence/deaths in the united states which have the highest amount per capita of all industrialized nations...on par with some "third-world" nations?

Even if there are significant obstacles...it still may be worth it in the end, right? I think it's fair to say that having to shut down a treasonous insurrection by the Southern States in what amounted to a civil war that costs a great many American lives was ultimately worth it in the cause of ending slavery, wouldn't you?

WebFire;1382182 wrote:That is the goal. But the only reason for the American public to buy into it is gun related crime reduction.