Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 14, 2012 1:37pm
unfortunately, school shootings are nothing new.IggyPride00;1342844 wrote:If people can't even rely on a Kindergarten classroom anymore to assume you are safe then there is no where safe in this country.
A movie theater, meeting your congress person at the grocery store, now this kindergarten classroom.......these are benign places that one would expect reasonably they don't have to be on the lookout for crazed gunmen. Yet these have been the sites of the most recent massacres.
We had guns in the 40's,50's,60's as well, why does it seem only the last 15-20 years that this kind of thing has all the sudden gotten out of hand? Why didn't this used to happen back in the day? It's not like people having access to guns is anything new, yet it seems the problem has gotten alot worse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#1700s
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 14, 2012 1:39pm
I haven't see that. What station is doing that? They need to stop.jordo212000;1342845 wrote:They need to leave these poor kids alone. Stop interviewing them
SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Dec 14, 2012 1:39pm
I'm having a hard time reading this knowing my innocent 6 year old is sitting in school, completely unprotected from me right now. 6, 7....8 year olds? Seriously? And less than 2 weeks before Christmas?
What a fucked up world. I'm beginning to think it ending on 12/21 wouldn't be such a bad thing...
What a fucked up world. I'm beginning to think it ending on 12/21 wouldn't be such a bad thing...
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Dec 14, 2012 1:39pm
Off the top of my head I can think of two reasons: a higher urban population now (if someone went crazy in the 50s, there was a better chance it was in a rural setting with fewer people around), and better news coverage. On the whole, violent crime has been on a decline since about 1990 and mass shootings account for < 1% of deaths.IggyPride00;1342844 wrote:If people can't even rely on a Kindergarten classroom anymore to assume you are safe then there is no where safe in this country.
A movie theater, meeting your congress person at the grocery store, now this kindergarten classroom.......these are benign places that one would expect reasonably they don't have to be on the lookout for crazed gunmen. Yet these have been the sites of the most recent massacres.
We had guns in the 40's,50's,60's as well, why does it seem only the last 15-20 years that this kind of thing has all the sudden gotten out of hand? Why didn't this used to happen back in the day? It's not like people having access to guns is anything new, yet it seems the problem has gotten alot worse.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 14, 2012 1:40pm
WebFire;1342847 wrote:I haven't see that. What station is doing that? They need to stop.
CNN has done at least 3
At one point, a mom was being interviewed and a creepy guy with a recording device kneeled down and started interviewing the little girl.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 14, 2012 1:41pm
I read that the school has locked security doors and that he rang a bell to get access?IggyPride00;1342844 wrote:If people can't even rely on a Kindergarten classroom anymore to assume you are safe then there is no where safe in this country.
A movie theater, meeting your congress person at the grocery store, now this kindergarten classroom.......these are benign places that one would expect reasonably they don't have to be on the lookout for crazed gunmen. Yet these have been the sites of the most recent massacres.
We had guns in the 40's,50's,60's as well, why does it seem only the last 15-20 years that this kind of thing has all the sudden gotten out of hand? Why didn't this used to happen back in the day? It's not like people having access to guns is anything new, yet it seems the problem has gotten alot worse.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Dec 14, 2012 1:43pm
I know they aren't, but I don't think there were nearly as many where large of people died the way it seems now where the goal is as many dead as possible. Other than the University of Texas in the 60's where the guy was snipering people off the tower, large scale shooting like this didn't seem to be as common. I could be wrong though.Pick6;1342846 wrote:unfortunately, school shootings are nothing new.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#1700s
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 14, 2012 1:43pm
jordo212000;1342845 wrote:They need to leave these poor kids alone. Stop interviewing them
10000000% agree. Trying to get a story out of some kid who maybe just witnessed friends being killed. And what parent allows that!!!
mcburg93
Posts: 3,167
Dec 14, 2012 1:44pm
Its been happening for a long time. The media just made it main stream in the last 15-20 years. I think someone posted something on here about all the school shootings and it goes back to the fifties if I remember right.IggyPride00;1342844 wrote:If people can't even rely on a Kindergarten classroom anymore to assume you are safe then there is no where safe in this country.
A movie theater, meeting your congress person at the grocery store, now this kindergarten classroom.......these are benign places that one would expect reasonably they don't have to be on the lookout for crazed gunmen. Yet these have been the sites of the most recent massacres.
We had guns in the 40's,50's,60's as well, why does it seem only the last 15-20 years that this kind of thing has all the sudden gotten out of hand? Why didn't this used to happen back in the day? It's not like people having access to guns is anything new, yet it seems the problem has gotten alot worse.
It is a sad day no matter how you look at it. It saddens me to think no where is safe anymore.
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Gblock
Dec 14, 2012 1:44pm
this sounds like most schools...a few have cameras but very few have metal detectors....if you have pistols in your coat you can walk into any school in america...at our school you have to go into the office first but you can easily get in by ringing the bellWebFire;1342853 wrote:I read that the school has locked security doors and that he rang a bell to get access?
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 14, 2012 1:46pm
WebFire;1342853 wrote:I read that the school has locked security doors and that he rang a bell to get access?
He had to have rang the bell then showed ID according to a letter the principal sent out earlier this year. Every school in America will be getting metal detectors after this and should have an officer at the school. I know most high schools have the officer in the school now. My high school started doing that after columbine.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 14, 2012 1:46pm
Also a larger population in general. If you assume a certain percentage of people will be sociopathic, more people = more psychos.gorocks99;1342850 wrote:Off the top of my head I can think of two reasons: a higher urban population now (if someone went crazy in the 50s, there was a better chance it was in a rural setting with fewer people around), and better news coverage. On the whole, violent crime has been on a decline since about 1990 and mass shootings account for < 1% of deaths.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Dec 14, 2012 1:46pm
Fucked up people.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 14, 2012 1:46pm
May 18, 1927: Bath, Michigan School treasurer Andrew Kehoe, after killing his wife and destroying his house and farm, blew up the Bath Consolidated School by detonating dynamite in the basement of the school, killing 38 people, mostly children. He then pulled up to the school in his Ford car, then set off a truck bomb, killing himself and four others. Only one shot was fired in order to detonate dynamite in the car. This was deadliest act of mass murder at a school in the United StatesIggyPride00;1342855 wrote:I know they aren't, but I don't think there were nearly as many where large of people died the way it seems now where the goal is as many dead as possible. Other than the University of Texas in the 60's where the guy was snipering people off the tower, large scale shooting like this didn't seem to be as common. I could be wrong though.
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raiderbuck
Posts: 1,623
Dec 14, 2012 1:48pm
Very true. Our high school locked doors (from the outside) after the morning bell. All late students and visitors had to enter through the front doors and be directed into the main office. However, no metal detectors, and truthfully you could just keep on walking straight into the hallways.Gblock;1342860 wrote:this sounds like most schools...a few have cameras but very few have metal detectors....if you have pistols in your coat you can walk into any school in america...at our school you have to go into the office first but you can easily get in by ringing the bell
The shooter could have started in the main office and then entered the hallway.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Dec 14, 2012 1:49pm
Unfortunately, what rent-a-cop has a chance against a guy with multiple guns and body armor?Midstate01;1342861 wrote:He had to have rang the bell then showed ID according to a letter the principal sent out earlier this year. Every school in America will be getting metal detectors after this and should have an officer at the school. I know most high schools have the officer in the school now. My high school started doing that after columbine.
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Gblock
Dec 14, 2012 1:50pm
we have a security officer who is amazing but with no gun wtf he gon do??
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Dec 14, 2012 1:50pm
I've seen reports that he had up to 4 handguns. In Connecticut you must do the following to even BUY a handgun.
So, either this person did all this and passed, then snapped later in which case nothing would have stopped him, or he bought a gun on the black market. Either way, I fail to see how even further gun control would have had any effect.It is unlawful to sell or permanently transfer a handgun to any person who is forbidden to possess a handgun, or to a person under 21.
No person, firm, or corporation shall sell or transfer any pistol or revolver unless an application provided by the Commissioner of Public Safety is filled out. There is a 2 week waiting period from the date of the application.
A handgun eligibility certificate, valid for five years, shall be issued by the Commissioner of Public Safety within 60 days after receipt of the National Criminal History Records check from the FBI to a person who may lawfully possess a handgun, who completes a handgun safety course, is fingerprinted, and pays a fee.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Dec 14, 2012 1:50pm
Doubtful.Every school in America will be getting metal detectors after this and should have an officer at the school.
Like anything in this world that would cost a good bit of money, and once the immediacy of the event wears off and the bill for all that stuff comes due no one will want to pay for it, or it will be the first thing cut in the next budget because the schools are stretched to the limit as it is.
That is just the way it is anymore in this country. We have the shortest collective memories in the world.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 14, 2012 1:51pm
Our school is this way as well. Though my experience is that you ring the bell and just say anything and they let you in. They don't even physically go to the door. They unlock it from there office chair. They can see you through a window, but the door goes right into the hallway of the school. It would take nothing to get in and do damage.Gblock;1342860 wrote:this sounds like most schools...a few have cameras but very few have metal detectors....if you have pistols in your coat you can walk into any school in america...at our school you have to go into the office first but you can easily get in by ringing the bell
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Sonofanump
Dec 14, 2012 1:52pm
But they have no idea what happened and shouldn't at that age. I immagine my child is at recess playing with school mates and knowing that she is OK. You can not live in fear and must realize for the most part this is an isolated incident.SnotBubbles;1342849 wrote:I'm having a hard time reading this knowing my innocent 6 year old is sitting in school, completely unprotected from me right now.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 14, 2012 1:52pm
Schools have no $$ as it is. Now they have to have a metal detector and a cop there at all times? In an ideal world, that's great but where do schools find this money?
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 14, 2012 1:54pm
Yea, officers aren't really there to stop mass shootings.gut;1342866 wrote:Unfortunately, what rent-a-cop has a chance against a guy with multiple guns and body armor?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 14, 2012 1:54pm
Sounds like we need both truck and dynamite control. That will solve the problem! :rolleyes:Pick6;1342864 wrote:May 18, 1927: Bath, Michigan School treasurer Andrew Kehoe, after killing his wife and destroying his house and farm, blew up the Bath Consolidated School by detonating dynamite in the basement of the school, killing 38 people, mostly children. He then pulled up to the school in his Ford car, then set off a truck bomb, killing himself and four others. Only one shot was fired in order to detonate dynamite in the car. This was deadliest act of mass murder at a school in the United States
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 14, 2012 1:54pm
jordo212000;1342872 wrote:Schools have no $$ as it is. Now they have to have a metal detector and a cop there at all times? In an ideal world, that's great but where do schools find this money?
Well pass a levy. If you're a parent and you don't pass that to pay a few extra cents a paycheck, then you're an idiot.