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Nov 20, 2012 12:32 PM
My point is you Dont given up on a qb after 10 game especially after he has had glimpse of being a winning qb for drafting a qb for shits n gigs in the top five. Its stupid.
Nov 20, 2012 12:32pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:34 PM
Garcon 947 yard n 6 tds last year with painter throwing him the rock. But you're right he isn't good.
Nov 20, 2012 12:34pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:36 PM
Pick6;1325907 wrote:I find it quite funny that the pro-Weeden group thinks we should give Weeden better weapons, while it was absurd to bring that up last year when people, like myself, were saying the same thing last year with McCoy.
I was actually pro draft blackmon n Doug martin in the first round. Nice fail though. I also didn't mind drafting weeden in the second round for competition
Nov 20, 2012 12:36pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:37 PM
Pick6;1325907 wrote:I find it quite funny that the pro-Weeden group thinks we should give Weeden better weapons, while it was absurd to bring that up last year when people, like myself, were saying the same thing last year with McCoy.
Difference is, Weeden has the tools to get it done with the right supporting cast. McCoy doesn't. No way in Hell McCoy hits Gordon on those deep balls earlier in the year.

I'm more inclined to think it's not so much Weeden's supporting cast (although he could use a vet WR) as it is Shurmur's system. I don't think Weeden is a WCO dink & dunk kind of QB. He's more of a vertical guy. I think he'd thrive in an offense like Bruce Arians runs. And before you say it, it's very possible that Shurmur's system screwed McCoy up too.
Nov 20, 2012 12:37pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:41 PM
Colt McCoy's stats last year with no running back and same group of shitty recievers minus Gordon:
Games Played:13 TD:14 Int:11 Completion %: 57.2 Rating: 74.6

Brandon Weeden's stats this year with good running back and Gordon:
Games Played: 10 TD: 11 Int:12 Completion %: 55.3 Rating: 70.3


Really do not know how Weeden isnt considered shitty if McCoy was.
Nov 20, 2012 12:41pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:42 PM
shook_17;1325916 wrote:I was actually pro draft blackmon n Doug martin in the first round. Nice fail though. I also didn't mind drafting weeden in the second round for competition
Where did I say anything about where you wanted him drafted?
Nov 20, 2012 12:42pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:43 PM
Pick6;1325920 wrote:Colt McCoy's stats last year with no running back and same group of shitty recievers minus Gordon:
Games Played:13 TD:14 Int:11 Completion %: 57.2 Rating: 74.6

Brandon Weeden's stats this year with good running back and Gordon:
Games Played: 10 TD: 11 Int:12 Completion %: 55.3 Rating: 70.3


Really do not know how Weeden isnt considered shitty if McCoy was.
You DID forget to put in there that Weeden is a rookie and McCoy was in his second year. If Weeden looks as shitty as McCoy next year I'll buy what you're selling.
Nov 20, 2012 12:43pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:44 PM
Pick6;1325920 wrote:Colt McCoy's stats last year with no running back and same group of shitty recievers minus Gordon:
Games Played:13 TD:14 Int:11 Completion %: 57.2 Rating: 74.6

Brandon Weeden's stats this year with good running back and Gordon:
Games Played: 10 TD: 11 Int:12 Completion %: 55.3 Rating: 70.3


Really do not know how Weeden isnt considered shitty if McCoy was.
Weeden can stretch the field.....McCoy doesn't make as many bad decisions....it is just a trade off of what you prefer. I prefer neither...lol
Nov 20, 2012 12:44pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:45 PM
BR1986FB;1325926 wrote:You DID forget to put in there that Weeden is a rookie and McCoy was in his second year. If Weeden looks as shitty as McCoy next year I'll buy what you're selling.
Spin spin spin spin spin

Its the WRs fault! No its the coaches fault!

Face it, Weeden sucks and you're all oblivious to that.
Nov 20, 2012 12:45pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:47 PM
BR1986FB;1325926 wrote:You DID forget to put in there that Weeden is a rookie and McCoy was in his second year. If Weeden looks as shitty as McCoy next year I'll buy what you're selling.
Considering McCoy didnt have a training camp and had not had a full starting season under his belt yet, I cant agree.

I think looking at their first 16 games started would probably be the most accurate comparison.
Nov 20, 2012 12:47pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:47 PM
wes_mantooth;1325927 wrote:Weeden can stretch the field.....McCoy doesn't make as many bad decisions....it is just a trade off of what you prefer. I prefer neither...lol
McCoy isn't going to turn the ball over because he's afraid to cut it loose and make a mistake. That could be on Shurmur telling him not to turn it over. I'm starting to think Weeden is getting that same fear (of cutting it loose).

If the Browns are going to beat the Steelers, Shurmur is going to have to let Weeden throw a few deep balls.
Nov 20, 2012 12:47pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:48 PM
BR1986FB;1325917 wrote:Difference is, Weeden has the tools to get it done with the right supporting cast. McCoy doesn't. No way in Hell McCoy hits Gordon on those deep balls earlier in the year.

I'm more inclined to think it's not so much Weeden's supporting cast (although he could use a vet WR) as it is Shurmur's system. I don't think Weeden is a WCO dink & dunk kind of QB. He's more of a vertical guy. I think he'd thrive in an offense like Bruce Arians runs. And before you say it, it's very possible that Shurmur's system screwed McCoy up too.
Weeden has a strong arm, that's it. That is all he has shown as far as "tools".
Nov 20, 2012 12:48pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:48 PM
wes_mantooth;1325927 wrote:Weeden can stretch the field.....McCoy doesn't make as many bad decisions....it is just a trade off of what you prefer. I prefer neither...lol
How can you not prefer Weeden hes a rookie and has only played 10 games!!!

Yet br and others kept saying "thank god we didn't draft blackmon" ..after 5 games ....
Nov 20, 2012 12:48pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:48 PM
Pick6;1325931 wrote:Considering McCoy didnt have a training camp and had not had a full starting season under his belt yet, I cant agree.

I think looking at their first 16 games started would probably be the most accurate comparison.
Not really. Andy Dalton, a rookie, didn't have training camp either.
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Nov 20, 2012 12:50 PM
SportsAndLady;1325936 wrote:How can you not prefer Weeden hes a rookie and has only played 10 games!!!

Yet br and others kept saying "thank god we didn't draft blackmon" ..after 5 games ....
And I still stand behind it. I think Gordon can be as good as, or better, than Blackmon. Top 5 pick on a WR, especially not one seen as elite, is a waste.
Nov 20, 2012 12:50pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:52 PM
BR1986FB;1325937 wrote:Not really. Andy Dalton, a rookie, didn't have training camp either.
He had weapons offensively though.
Nov 20, 2012 12:52pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:54 PM
BR1986FB;1325938 wrote:And I still stand behind it. I think Gordon can be as good as, or better, than Blackmon. Top 5 pick on a WR, especially not one seen as elite, is a waste.
Missed my point completely..you said before the draft blackmon will suck. After 5 games you used his first 5 games as reason to say you were right.

I said before the draft that Weeden will suck. After 10 games im using his first 10 games to say I told you so.

Yet you say we can't make that judgment because hes a rookie and its only been 10 games. Contradict much?
Nov 20, 2012 12:54pm
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Nov 20, 2012 12:59 PM
How about this...
Weeden's first 10 games:
Completion: 55.3% TD: 10 INT: 11 QBR: 22.8 Rating: 70.3

McCoy's first 10 games:
Completion: 59.8% TD: 9 Int: 10 QBR: 46.18 Rating: 76.34
1 rushing TD as well.

I really wasnt as down as some people on here,but after comparing him and McCoy, along with his age and lack of mobility, I cannot see why anybody with rational thoughts that was done with McCoy would want to give Weeden more time.
Nov 20, 2012 12:59pm
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Nov 20, 2012 1:09 PM
Either way they are both below average QBs. Cleveland is in a tough spot but I don't think drafting another QB is a viable option, let McCoy and Weeden fight for the job next year, It really can't get much worse. Fill some other holes with the draft.
Nov 20, 2012 1:09pm
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Nov 20, 2012 1:18 PM
Pick6;1325924 wrote:Where did I say anything about where you wanted him drafted?
Bc I'm pro weeden lol I figured you were talking to all pro weeden.
Nov 20, 2012 1:18pm
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Nov 20, 2012 1:39 PM
SportsAndLady;1325929 wrote:
Face it, Browns sucks and you're all oblivious to that.
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Nov 20, 2012 1:39pm
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Nov 20, 2012 3:58 PM
lol...you can't compare rookie WRs to rookie QBs. That's just retarded. QB is the hardest position in professional sports to learn and be good at. Give Weeden another year with a good coach and see what you have. It's crazy to start over every year.

And draft a QB every year with your first pick until you finally like what you get is insane. Some of this stuff has me wondering what some of you are smoking.
Nov 20, 2012 3:58pm
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Nov 20, 2012 4:32 PM
royal_k;1326086 wrote:lol...you can't compare rookie WRs to rookie QBs. That's just retarded. QB is the hardest position in professional sports to learn and be good at. Give Weeden another year with a good coach and see what you have. It's crazy to start over every year.

And draft a QB every year with your first pick until you finally like what you get is insane. Some of this stuff has me wondering what some of you are smoking.
Finally getting a good QB is insane? Its not like we'd go 10 drafts until we find a good QB. It'd be at most 3 drafts taking a first round QB. No different than the trade the redskins made.
Nov 20, 2012 4:32pm
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Nov 20, 2012 4:42 PM
SportsAndLady;1326108 wrote:Finally getting a good QB is insane? Its not like we'd go 10 drafts until we find a good QB. It'd be at most 3 drafts taking a first round QB. No different than the trade the redskins made.
So you draft a QB in the first round for 3 strait years (4 counting last draft) and neglect the rest of the team....got ya
Nov 20, 2012 4:42pm
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Nov 20, 2012 5:26 PM
SportsAndLady;1325929 wrote:
Face it, Weeden sucks and you're all oblivious to that.
Hey, come on now, you and I have been in this thing since the beginning.
Nov 20, 2012 5:26pm