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Nov 18, 2012 5:13 PM
Shazier more tackles, solo tackles, and sacks. These are the bread and butter of a solid LB.
Nov 18, 2012 5:13pm
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Nov 18, 2012 5:18 PM
killer_ewok;1324086 wrote:Do you think Te'o deserves to be mentioned and who do you think is the better football player....Te'o or Shazier? Again, just an honest question. You're a reasonable poster on here so I like to hear your take on things.
I do think Te'o deserves to be mentioned, not only because of the impact he's had on ND's defense, but also since he's been in the discussion from early on. As for your second question, I plead the 5th. ;)
Nov 18, 2012 5:18pm
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Nov 18, 2012 5:23 PM
It's a 10 tackle difference and te'o also has 6 ints. Shazier should have more sacks as he rushes the passer more while te'o rarely rushes the passer. I am curious on the number of plays each has played. There's no denying both are damn good though. I think te'o has a bigger impact on his team though
Nov 18, 2012 5:23pm
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Nov 18, 2012 5:31 PM
Crimson streak;1324108 wrote:It's a 10 tackle difference and te'o also has 6 ints. Shazier should have more sacks as he rushes the passer more while te'o rarely rushes the passer. I am curious on the number of plays each has played. There's no denying both are damn good though. I think te'o has a bigger impact on his team though
Actually if you've watched ND at all this season, you'll realize most of Te'o INTs were pure luck. Sacks and tackles are what LBs do and no one in the country does it better than Shazier.
Nov 18, 2012 5:31pm
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Nov 18, 2012 5:34 PM
sleeper;1324114 wrote:Actually if you've watched ND at all this season, you'll realize most of Te'o INTs were pure luck. Sacks and tackles are what LBs do and no one in the country does it better than Shazier.
And I take it you've watched all of ND's games?
Nov 18, 2012 5:34pm
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Nov 18, 2012 5:37 PM
I would think Manziel and Barner would be the front runners.
Nov 18, 2012 5:37pm
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Nov 18, 2012 5:39 PM
vball10set;1323709 wrote:I disagree. IMO, there are many standouts, and that's what's making it difficult to identify a frontrunner.
1. By standout, I meant there aren't 1 or 2 that are obvious leaders. Usually there are at least 2 that "standout" from the rest.

2. I don't necessarily agree that there are many "standouts" in the way you were saying. There is no Cam Newton, Ingram or Troy Smith this year.
Nov 18, 2012 5:39pm
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Nov 18, 2012 5:41 PM
I really don't think Te'o should be mentioned in Heisman talk. National defensive awards? Absolutely. But not Heisman. 6 INTs is good for a LB, but it's not something gets you to NYC.
Nov 18, 2012 5:41pm
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Nov 18, 2012 5:53 PM
WebFire;1324126 wrote:I really don't think Te'o should be mentioned in Heisman talk. National defensive awards? Absolutely. But not Heisman. 6 INTs is good for a LB, but it's not something gets you to NYC.
I absolutely think he should be mentioned simply for the fact that there is no frontrunner. If there were a clear favorite I would for sure agree with you, but honestly at this point, barring other serious contenders, he certainly deserves to be mentioned even if he finishes 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.
Nov 18, 2012 5:53pm
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Nov 18, 2012 5:58 PM
WebFire;1324126 wrote:I really don't think Te'o should be mentioned in Heisman talk. National defensive awards? Absolutely. But not Heisman. 6 INTs is good for a LB, but it's not something gets you to NYC.

I think it goes way past just on the field as well is off with te'o. He's such a great kid it really sucks he's gone after this year.
Nov 18, 2012 5:58pm
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Nov 18, 2012 5:58 PM
Crimson streak;1324108 wrote:It's a 10 tackle difference and te'o also has 6 ints. Shazier should have more sacks as he rushes the passer more while te'o rarely rushes the passer. I am curious on the number of plays each has played. There's no denying both are damn good though. I think te'o has a bigger impact on his team though
Te'O should have more interceptions because he is in coverage more. Works both ways ;)
Nov 18, 2012 5:58pm
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Nov 18, 2012 6:00 PM
Pick6;1324145 wrote:Te'O should have more interceptions because he is in coverage more. Works both ways ;)

I'm not saying it doesn't. But like I said I'm curious to see how many plays both players have played
Nov 18, 2012 6:00pm
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Nov 18, 2012 6:03 PM
I would take Stormy Klein over both of them.....
Nov 18, 2012 6:03pm
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Nov 18, 2012 6:09 PM
sleeper;1324114 wrote:Actually if you've watched ND at all this season, you'll realize most of Te'o INTs were pure luck. Sacks and tackles are what LBs do and no one in the country does it better than Shazier.

Lucky INT's still count as INT's.
Nov 18, 2012 6:09pm
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Nov 18, 2012 6:13 PM
killer_ewok;1324153 wrote:Lucky INT's still count as INT's.
Truth...I always believed it was luck, but Ed Reed has made a hall of fame career of being in the right place at the right time....a nose for the ball.
Nov 18, 2012 6:13pm
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Nov 18, 2012 6:17 PM
Rotinaj;1324118 wrote:And I take it you've watched all of ND's games?
Yes. I write articles for a ND blog so I'm pretty much forced to watch all of their games.
Nov 18, 2012 6:17pm
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Nov 18, 2012 6:31 PM
sleeper;1324158 wrote:Yes. I write articles for a ND blog so I'm pretty much forced to watch all of their games.
Why would you possibly do such a thing?
Nov 18, 2012 6:31pm
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Nov 18, 2012 6:34 PM
Rotinaj;1324165 wrote:Why would you possibly do such a thing?
Have you at all been paying attention? ND has the most delusional fan base in the country so the articles I write get far more hits than any other team. It's about money; money talks.
Nov 18, 2012 6:34pm
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Nov 18, 2012 6:46 PM
WebFire;1324122 wrote:1. By standout, I meant there aren't 1 or 2 that are obvious leaders. Usually there are at least 2 that "standout" from the rest.

2. I don't necessarily agree that there are many "standouts" in the way you were saying. There is no Cam Newton, Ingram or Troy Smith this year.
Again, I disagree. Listing "standouts" is subjective, but as far as the players you named, an argument can be made for saying Klein, Barner, Miller, Manziel and Te'o have all had similar impacts for their respective teams this season. They all have the ability to take their team's to the highest level, making them the most outstanding player on their squad. We look back on the winners you mentioned with greater admiration now because they already have won the award. However, when they were playing their Heisman season's, they all had ups and downs, and I'm sure other candidates, at times, looked more worthy of winning the trophy. JMO.
Nov 18, 2012 6:46pm
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Nov 18, 2012 6:49 PM
Crimson streak;1324144 wrote:I think it goes way past just on the field as well is off with te'o. He's such a great kid it really sucks he's gone after this year.
That's all fine and good, but there are a lot of great kids playing college football. I don't really care if he is or isn't considered. He is a good football player for sure. I just don't think for a defensive player, he's done enough to warrant Heisman attention.

Just my opinion.
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Nov 18, 2012 6:55 PM
vball10set;1324173 wrote:Again, I disagree. Listing "standouts" is subjective, but as far as the players you named, an argument can be made for saying Klein, Barner, Miller, Manziel and Te'o have all had similar impacts for their respective teams this season. They all have the ability to take their team's to the highest level, making them the most outstanding player on their squad. We look back on the winners you mentioned with greater admiration now because they already have won the award. However, when they were playing their Heisman season's, they all had ups and downs, and I'm sure other candidates, at times, looked more worthy of winning the trophy. JMO.
Agree to disagree. Just don't see the dominate players this year like years past. There will always be impactful players, because there is no other choice.
Nov 18, 2012 6:55pm
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Nov 18, 2012 6:56 PM
"The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work."


Please list which criteria he is lacking in.
Nov 18, 2012 6:56pm
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Nov 18, 2012 6:57 PM
If a defensive player ever deserved the reward again, it should have been Matheiu last year, IMO.
Nov 18, 2012 6:57pm
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Nov 18, 2012 6:58 PM
Pick6;1324181 wrote:If a defensive player ever deserved the reward again, it should have been Matheiu last year, IMO.

Suh?
Nov 18, 2012 6:58pm
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Nov 18, 2012 6:59 PM
karen lotz;1324180 wrote:"The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work."


Please list which criteria he is lacking in.
I think the majority of college football players arent "lacking" in any of those categories. Very broad.
Nov 18, 2012 6:59pm