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Dec 9, 2012 1:11 AM
stlouiedipalma;1338845 wrote:And intense media hype. Johnny Football will be under great pressure next season to repeat.
He'll take a year off from winning Heisman's and then win again his Jr. year.
Dec 9, 2012 1:11am
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Dec 9, 2012 1:18 AM
Can't argue this Heisman. Teo had possibly one of the greatest seasons ever defensively, Manziel was one of the best QB's and one of the best rushers this season. Just like Tebow a few years ago
Dec 9, 2012 1:18am
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Dec 9, 2012 6:59 AM
killer_ewok;1338871 wrote:He'll take a year off from winning Heisman's and then win again his Jr. year.
Since he's a redhsirt freshman, he can declare after next year--it's doubtful, but who knows?
Dec 9, 2012 6:59am
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Dec 9, 2012 9:12 AM
Fly4Fun;1338780 wrote:I knew it would go to Manziel. Should have gone to Klein. Klein gets knocked out of the running because his team loses 1 game in which he was average. Manziel completely cost Texas A&M a game against LSU. He was beyond terrible in that game, 3 int's, nothing on the ground, shitty completion %. And then Texas A&M also lost another game that Manziel was at best average in.

Oh well, you could see the writting on the wall before tonight.
So how many defenses did Klein go up against that are even in the same galaxy as UF and Bama? When's the last time there wasn't 500 Big 12 QBs that put up big numbers?
Dec 9, 2012 9:12am
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Dec 9, 2012 9:31 AM
What I find really funny is last year the big 12 sucks its an offensive league with no no defense and they would get blasted by sec teams. Since now Texas a&m is in the sec there just so great since they lit up bama and other sec teams but yet all the other big 12 teams suck. It's really comical
Dec 9, 2012 9:31am
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Dec 9, 2012 9:44 AM
Johnny Man-zier will not sniff this thing again. His QB coach will bail on him and head to TX Tech and they will easily lose 3 - 4 games the next few years like they usually do.
Dec 9, 2012 9:44am
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Dec 9, 2012 9:53 AM
Crimson streak;1338922 wrote:What I find really funny is last year the big 12 sucks its an offensive league with no no defense and they would get blasted by sec teams. Since now Texas a&m is in the sec there just so great since they lit up bama and other sec teams but yet all the other big 12 teams suck. It's really comical
What I find funny is people still try and dispute the fact that the SEC has been superior the last like 8 years.its also been pointed out how poorly A&M did against 2 out of 3 of the good D's they played.
Dec 9, 2012 9:53am
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Dec 9, 2012 9:54 AM
Also nobody is claiming all the big 12 teams suck but it's and absolute fact that the top SEC defenses are better than what the big 12 has to offer.
Dec 9, 2012 9:54am
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Dec 9, 2012 10:37 AM
Classyposter58;1338873 wrote:Teo had possibly one of the greatest seasons ever defensively
Can't disagree more. Great season? Yes. One of the greatest? Get out of here with that ignorance.
Dec 9, 2012 10:37am
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Dec 9, 2012 10:42 AM
Rotinaj;1338931 wrote:Also nobody is claiming all the big 12 teams suck but it's and absolute fact that the top SEC defenses are better than what the big 12 has to offer.
It works both ways.

Big 12: Great offenses and terrible defenses statistically
SEC: Great defenses and terrible offenses statistically

Definitely correlation, but hard to determine causation.
Dec 9, 2012 10:42am
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Dec 9, 2012 10:42 AM
karen lotz;1338801 wrote:eh, hardly a meltdown, dlazz (i'm guessing). if LJ and jordo are going to say how great the SEC teams Manziel played well against are, I'm going to show them they are wrong.
I wasn't around last night, but mad props for thinking I was trolling you from a different username.

also, LOL Manti.
Dec 9, 2012 10:42am
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Dec 9, 2012 10:46 AM
Rotinaj;1338931 wrote:Also nobody is claiming all the big 12 teams suck but it's and absolute fact that the top SEC defenses are better than what the big 12 has to offer.

But yet we heard all last year how Oklahoma st wouldn't be able to score on lsu or bama but yet Texas a&m comes in and does very well against the sec defenses. I just find it extremely funny
Dec 9, 2012 10:46am
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Dec 9, 2012 10:55 AM
Crimson streak;1338960 wrote:But yet we heard all last year how Oklahoma st wouldn't be able to score on lsu or bama but yet Texas a&m comes in and does very well against the sec defenses. I just find it extremely funny
Good post. I think the SEC defensive rankings are due in part to the pathetic offenses that litter the conference.
Dec 9, 2012 10:55am
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Dec 9, 2012 11:03 AM
Classyposter58;1338873 wrote:Teo had possibly one of the greatest seasons ever defensively
wat
Dec 9, 2012 11:03am
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Dec 9, 2012 12:24 PM
Remember at the beginning of the thread when ND fans specifically went out of their way to say they werent saying Teo should win it, just be considered? lol
Dec 9, 2012 12:24pm
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Dec 9, 2012 1:09 PM
Just the first of two disappointments ND nation will face this season.
Dec 9, 2012 1:09pm
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Dec 9, 2012 1:17 PM
Congrats to Johnny F, well deserved.

2 things. Manziel played fine against UF. It was a damn good game. His stats were significantly better than Klein which put him over the top. I'm actually surprised he got 3rd.

I was expecting Manziel, Klein, Te'o.
Dec 9, 2012 1:17pm
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Dec 9, 2012 1:51 PM
Classyposter58;1338873 wrote:Teo had possibly one of the greatest seasons ever defensively,

Well second best anyway. Shazier had the better year IMO
Dec 9, 2012 1:51pm
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Dec 9, 2012 2:06 PM
jordo212000;1339056 wrote:Well second best anyway. Shazier had the better year IMO
No he didn't.
Dec 9, 2012 2:06pm
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Dec 9, 2012 2:08 PM
jordo212000;1339056 wrote:Well second best anyway. Shazier had the better year IMO
Stop it.
Dec 9, 2012 2:08pm
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Dec 9, 2012 2:09 PM
Automatik;1339069 wrote:Stop it.

Only stat he had less of was INTs, say what you will about Te'o winning the Heisman... But I don't believe there is any question as to which LB had the better season out of the two
Dec 9, 2012 2:09pm
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Dec 9, 2012 2:11 PM
Stay on 'em Jordo...true OSU fans are hangin with ya.
Dec 9, 2012 2:11pm
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Dec 9, 2012 2:12 PM
jordo212000;1339071 wrote:Only stat he had less of was INTs, say what you will about Te'o winning the Heisman... But I don't believe there is any question as to which LB had the better season out of the two
Don't forget about solo tackles. Manti had more. Shazier's total tackle number was inflated because he had 70 assisted tackles. That tells me that he was just a pile on guy. So you have to take his total number with a grain of salt.

Just another reason why you can't strictly go off of numbers when deciding the Heisman.
Dec 9, 2012 2:12pm
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Dec 9, 2012 2:16 PM
jordo212000;1339071 wrote:Only stat he had less of was INTs, say what you will about Te'o winning the Heisman... But I don't believe there is any question as to which LB had the better season out of the two
Te'o lost.

I'm just over this argument. It's been beaten to death.
Dec 9, 2012 2:16pm
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Dec 9, 2012 2:18 PM
jordo212000;1339071 wrote:Only stat he had less of was INTs, say what you will about Te'o winning the Heisman... But I don't believe there is any question as to which LB had the better season out of the two

lol
Dec 9, 2012 2:18pm