HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 18, 2013 6:33pm
Well wedge, let's just agree both were bad. 
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Feb 18, 2013 9:20pm
Career ERA for White is over 6... It's over 5 for Pom.Footwedge;1391558 wrote:White..........5.51
Pomeranz....4.93
Ubaldo...5.41.
And those two pichers are young, both battled through injuries last season.
Ubaldo had been struggling for most of his career when management pulled the trigger on that deal. Probably the worst trade in over a decade.
Thanks.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Feb 19, 2013 12:37am
Not to mention selling off STO for a tidy profit.royal_k;1390319 wrote:They may have opened the up the checkbook. But taking Hafner and Sizemore off the books freed up a lot of money.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 19, 2013 7:34am
Still, they didn't pocket the money. They went out and got the best manager available, added some key players and made a big trade which has 'positive' all over it. Then, when the budget was spent, they went out and got one more( Bourn).
In the past, I've been all over these guys and especially Dolan for the great salary dump which was all about money and made zero baseball sense, as we got close to nothing for the talent and salaries we unloaded. I've been critical of the team in identifying critical needs and not addressing them and for the owner who refused to step up to the plate to address those needs.
Well, this year they did what they should do...and they get credit for that.
In the past, I've been all over these guys and especially Dolan for the great salary dump which was all about money and made zero baseball sense, as we got close to nothing for the talent and salaries we unloaded. I've been critical of the team in identifying critical needs and not addressing them and for the owner who refused to step up to the plate to address those needs.
Well, this year they did what they should do...and they get credit for that.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Feb 19, 2013 3:02pm
I'm not arguing your point. I agree with everything you said. My point was they had the money available because of the contracts no longer with the team. It's not like they dug deep to sign the players that they did. But, they do get credit for the needs they addressed. For once they did the right thing. And I think a lot of that is due to fan backlash from previous seasons. Plus, landing Francona put the pressure on them to give him the players needed.HitsRus;1392035 wrote:Still, they didn't pocket the money. They went out and got the best manager available, added some key players and made a big trade which has 'positive' all over it. Then, when the budget was spent, they went out and got one more( Bourn).
In the past, I've been all over these guys and especially Dolan for the great salary dump which was all about money and made zero baseball sense, as we got close to nothing for the talent and salaries we unloaded. I've been critical of the team in identifying critical needs and not addressing them and for the owner who refused to step up to the plate to address those needs.
Well, this year they did what they should do...and they get credit for that.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Feb 19, 2013 3:47pm
Bottoms up.HitsRus;1391778 wrote:Well wedge, let's just agree both were bad.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Feb 19, 2013 3:50pm
No doubt having those 2 and even Fausto on the books hurt the team's finances. Any team that spends 1/3 of their payroll on dead weight is going to hav a crap product on the field. Hopefully Swisher and Bourn remain healthy and produce to their previous levels.royal_k;1392364 wrote:I'm not arguing your point. I agree with everything you said. My point was they had the money available because of the contracts no longer with the team. It's not like they dug deep to sign the players that they did. But, they do get credit for the needs they addressed. For once they did the right thing. And I think a lot of that is due to fan backlash from previous seasons. Plus, landing Francona put the pressure on them to give him the players needed.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Feb 19, 2013 11:12pm
I'm just hoping for a winning/exciting season. I'd love to be in the hunt for one of the WC spots, then who knows?
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Feb 19, 2013 11:19pm
I agree. I'm just a little bit surprised at the sudden change of heart by the otherwise cheap Dolans. I'm hoping that Francona had a little something to do with it. He's probably the most baseball-savvy manager they've had since they bought the Tribe. Maybe they figured he knows more than they do, we'd better get him some players. Or maybe the rumor is true that they are gussying up the team to make them more attractive to sell.HitsRus;1392035 wrote:Still, they didn't pocket the money. They went out and got the best manager available, added some key players and made a big trade which has 'positive' all over it. Then, when the budget was spent, they went out and got one more( Bourn).
In the past, I've been all over these guys and especially Dolan for the great salary dump which was all about money and made zero baseball sense, as we got close to nothing for the talent and salaries we unloaded. I've been critical of the team in identifying critical needs and not addressing them and for the owner who refused to step up to the plate to address those needs.
Well, this year they did what they should do...and they get credit for that.
CLEconomically Speaking
Posts: 401
Feb 19, 2013 11:21pm
its not too early to hope for a central title. It was a weak division last year despite Detroit's roster.hoops23;1392739 wrote:I'm just hoping for a winning/exciting season. I'd love to be in the hunt for one of the WC spots, then who knows?
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Feb 19, 2013 11:44pm
Anything can happen in baseball, for sure, however, Detroit is the favorite by default.CLEconomically Speaking;1392747 wrote:its not too early to hope for a central title. It was a weak division last year despite Detroit's roster.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Feb 19, 2013 11:46pm
Chicago wasn't bad and KC should be betterCLEconomically Speaking;1392747 wrote:its not too early to hope for a central title. It was a weak division last year despite Detroit's roster.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Feb 19, 2013 11:47pm
Division should be improved,that's for damn sure. It'd be hard to be any worse than it was last year.
CLEconomically Speaking
Posts: 401
Feb 20, 2013 12:24am
hoops23;1392757 wrote:Division should be improved,that's for damn sure. It'd be hard to be any worse than it was last year.
I think the Tribe is the most improved team in baseball--well, in America at least--Toranto did pretty well this off-season too.
thePITman
Posts: 3,867
Feb 20, 2013 10:22am
Cleveland Indians home opener tickets are now available online to the general public. The presale tickets have been available to season ticket/flex seat holders for a few days, but now to everyone. Just got mine! Seats are not good and are going fast.
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lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 20, 2013 11:02am
I'm going to the game on Saturday. I didn't make the trek up to Goodyear last year, but I'm planning on going to ~8 games this year
hangonsloopy
Posts: 1,291
Feb 20, 2013 12:05pm
thePITman;1392880 wrote:Cleveland Indians home opener tickets are now available online to the general public. The presale tickets have been available to season ticket/flex seat holders for a few days, but now to everyone. Just got mine! Seats are not good and are going fast.
Use promo code PESTANO
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I tried to get some and all that's left are nose bleeds. I'm surprised since they don't even go on sale until Monday.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 20, 2013 8:38pm
....and the first Tribe pitch of the year will be delivered by Giovanni Soto (acquired for Jhonny Peralta). Soto will be the first game pitcher for Puerto Rico in the WBC.
Tribe takes on the Reds Friday at their shared facility in Goodyear AZ. Cactus League play begins on Saturday.
Tribe takes on the Reds Friday at their shared facility in Goodyear AZ. Cactus League play begins on Saturday.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 22, 2013 9:53pm
...and Soto gets hammered for 5 runs in 2/3 of an inning
....Not to worry as the Tribe kept coming back in a slugfest, winning on a bases clearing walkoff double by Mike McDade(who?). Earlier in the game Michael Brantley and Carlos Santana had hits in both their AB's....Chiz smacked a 2 run dinger.
...and we are off to a good start in 2013.
....Not to worry as the Tribe kept coming back in a slugfest, winning on a bases clearing walkoff double by Mike McDade(who?). Earlier in the game Michael Brantley and Carlos Santana had hits in both their AB's....Chiz smacked a 2 run dinger....and we are off to a good start in 2013.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Feb 23, 2013 6:50pm
Tribe takes 2nd in a row over the Reds 13-10. Raburn with 2 more HRs and 4 RBIs. Now hitting a coll .1000 with 3 dingers and 5 RBIs.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Feb 24, 2013 7:14pm
Mcallister, Bauer, kazmir, and dice-k all had scoreless outing today. Lets hope it's a sign to come
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Feb 25, 2013 9:52am
Does anyone know when they'll start showing any of the spring training games on TV? If any?
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Feb 25, 2013 6:14pm
Middle of March I believe.Benny The Jet;1395667 wrote:Does anyone know when they'll start showing any of the spring training games on TV? If any?
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Feb 25, 2013 6:16pm
Masterson and ubaldo both had a scoreless 2 innings. Starting pitching has looked pretty good so far. Kazmir velocity is up to 94-95-96 which is huge for him. Could be a steal signing
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 25, 2013 8:33pm
Seriously?Crimson streak;1395919 wrote:Masterson and ubaldo both had a scoreless 2 innings. Starting pitching has looked pretty good so far. Kazmir velocity is up to 94-95-96 which is huge for him. Could be a steal signing
He had his career ruined with injury and lack of pace. If he can regain 95 consistently I wouldnt doubt he moves into our top 2 of the rotation.