wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Dec 23, 2012 10:48pm
The other rumor that is floating around is that the Tribe is active to help make a sale of the team more attractive. I hope this is true...lol
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Dec 23, 2012 11:04pm
Im very happy with the offseason.
But at the same time Im pissed moves like this werent made when we were good with Cy Young pitchers.
But at the same time Im pissed moves like this werent made when we were good with Cy Young pitchers.
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Dec 23, 2012 11:07pm
best i came up with was brantley/kipnis in the first two spots, some combination of swisher/reynolds/santana 3-4-5, cabrera/chisenhall 6-7 and the dh and stubbs rounding out the orderdazedconfused;1349724 wrote:what's the lineup going to look like?
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Dec 24, 2012 7:47am
dazedconfused;1350131 wrote:best i came up with was brantley/kipnis in the first two spots, some combination of swisher/reynolds/santana 3-4-5, cabrera/chisenhall 6-7 and the dh and stubbs rounding out the order
It's gonna be a much better lineup if they stay away from injuries and hit to their potential.
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september63
Posts: 5,789
Dec 24, 2012 8:39am
There are a ton of SO's in this line up.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Dec 24, 2012 9:08am
I am not sure what the record is, but Stubbs/Swisher/Reynolds in the same line-up should be tremendous if they get a season's worth of at bats.september63;1350186 wrote:There are a ton of SO's in this line up.
We will have quite possibly the worst contacting hitting line-up in MLB.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Dec 24, 2012 9:23am
If I had to set the lineup it would look like this:dazedconfused;1350131 wrote:best i came up with was brantley/kipnis in the first two spots, some combination of swisher/reynolds/santana 3-4-5, cabrera/chisenhall 6-7 and the dh and stubbs rounding out the order
Brantley
Kipnis
Cabrera
Reynolds
Swisher
Santana
Chisenhall
DH- Still a big hole here.
Stubbs
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Dec 24, 2012 9:56am
I would do this
Brantley
Kipnis
Cabrera
Swisher
Santana
Reynolds
Chisenhall
DH
Stubbs
This way you have the 3 switch hitters all in a row. Would make it hard for late inning match ups.
Brantley
Kipnis
Cabrera
Swisher
Santana
Reynolds
Chisenhall
DH
Stubbs
This way you have the 3 switch hitters all in a row. Would make it hard for late inning match ups.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 24, 2012 9:58am
Gonna need to figure out who is the DH to really get a grip on the lineup....unless the Tribe can find an everyday stud for that position (unlikely), we are going to have a lot of different looks depending on who the opponents are pitching.
I am curious if the Tribe will try to bring back Hafner at a greatly reduced price.
I am curious if the Tribe will try to bring back Hafner at a greatly reduced price.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Dec 24, 2012 10:04am
Or maybe Sizemore makes the greatest comeback ever...:laugh:HitsRus;1350216 wrote:Gonna need to figure out who is the DH to really get a grip on the lineup....unless the Tribe can find an everyday stud for that position (unlikely), we are going to have a lot of different looks depending on who the opponents are pitching.
I am curious if the Tribe will try to bring back Hafner at a greatly reduced price.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Dec 24, 2012 10:29am
Doubt it highly. I think they use the DH more as a rotating position because some of the guys on this team are bad fielders, and having a DH incapable of playing the field greatly limits Francona's flexibility with using the position. I could see Santana starting to get more AB's at DH, and Reynolds as well as neither is going to be mistaken as Gold Glove Caliber at their position. Hafner is just too one dimensional in that he can't do anything other than swing a bat to help the team (and it was iffy at points as to whether he could even do that anymore).I am curious if the Tribe will try to bring back Hafner at a greatly reduced price.
I could be wrong though.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 24, 2012 10:55am
Out of all the LOL cleveland rumors, please make this one come true!wes_mantooth;1350109 wrote:The other rumor that is floating around is that the Tribe is active to help make a sale of the team more attractive. I hope this is true...lol
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 24, 2012 12:33pm
With Swisher's signing, starting pitching becomes the main focus. I could see the Tribe trying to pick up an aging, but still productive hitter, to provide some pop off the bench and for some DH at bats.
One thing that hasn't been talked about, is that with the addition of Drew Stubbs, and if Zeke Carrera sees more time as the team's 4th outfielder, the Tribe has become faster,... and now with the addition of Swish and Reynolds, has considerably more power.
That's a major upgrade in the offense.
One thing that hasn't been talked about, is that with the addition of Drew Stubbs, and if Zeke Carrera sees more time as the team's 4th outfielder, the Tribe has become faster,... and now with the addition of Swish and Reynolds, has considerably more power.
That's a major upgrade in the offense.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Dec 24, 2012 12:40pm
Make no mistake, this team is no longer built to play small ball. We are loaded up with relatively low average hitters that strike out a ton but have some good pop in their bat.now with the addition of Swish and Reynolds, has considerably more power
We won't be manufacturing many runs, but we will be hitting more 2 and 3 run homers than we have in years.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Dec 24, 2012 12:59pm
HitsRus;1350337 wrote:With Swisher's signing, starting pitching becomes the main focus. I could see the Tribe trying to pick up an aging, but still productive hitter, to provide some pop off the bench and for some DH at bats.
One thing that hasn't been talked about, is that with the addition of Drew Stubbs, and if Zeke Carrera sees more time as the team's 4th outfielder, the Tribe has become faster,... and now with the addition of Swish and Reynolds, has considerably more power.
That's a major upgrade in the offense.
Swisher is off a career high in doubles and has over 25 homers in 6 straight seasons I believe. He does strikeout but he also has a Thome like eye at the plate and walks a ton. His OBP is usually in the. 370-.380 range even though he only hits. 260-.270.
This is a great move for the Tribe. Good offseason. Like you said, we have gotten faster and added power and hopefully a stud front end of the rotation guy. I even like the Kazmir deal. No risk but if he somehow found his form would be a nice lefty in the rotation.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Dec 24, 2012 1:21pm
Alot of the national publications are down on the Swisher signing it seems.
I actually get how from the outside it actually doesn't make much sense for us, but as a fan I couldn't take another season like last year where we just couldn't score runs.
Heard on the radio this morning that Swisher's 5 year vests based on plate appearances in year 4, so if he is healthy essentially he is going to get that 5th for sure which brings the deal to 5 years $70 million.
It is nice to see the Dolan's willing to pay market rate for once even when they were kind of bidding against themselves as none of the big boys were really in play on Swisher.
I actually get how from the outside it actually doesn't make much sense for us, but as a fan I couldn't take another season like last year where we just couldn't score runs.
Heard on the radio this morning that Swisher's 5 year vests based on plate appearances in year 4, so if he is healthy essentially he is going to get that 5th for sure which brings the deal to 5 years $70 million.
It is nice to see the Dolan's willing to pay market rate for once even when they were kind of bidding against themselves as none of the big boys were really in play on Swisher.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Dec 28, 2012 8:33pm
STO sale to FOX completed today. $230M for the network, plus $40M/yr for the TV rights to the Indians for 10 years
Looks like it will operate as an "FSN Ohio 2", with more info bring decided over the next 6 weeks.
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2012/12/fox_sports_purchases_sto_for_a.html#incart_river
Looks like it will operate as an "FSN Ohio 2", with more info bring decided over the next 6 weeks.
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2012/12/fox_sports_purchases_sto_for_a.html#incart_river
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Dec 28, 2012 10:23pm
Saw someone mention this in the comment section on the STO sale.Off the books: Hafner ($13M), Sizemore (5M), Lowe (5M), Carmona (4M), Perez (2M)...
Added to the 2013 payroll: Swisher ($14M) and Reynolds ($6M).
The Swisher/Francona signings appear to be the bright shiney object management will use to give the impression they are spending, when in reality we will have a lower payroll in all likelihood even though more revenue will be pouring into the Dolan coffers.
Hadn't crunched the numbers like that, but they have really managed to pull one over on us as it feels like they are spending, but in reality that is not the case.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Dec 29, 2012 8:36am
IggyPride00;1352108 wrote:Saw someone mention this in the comment section on the STO sale.
The Swisher/Francona signings appear to be the bright shiney object management will use to give the impression they are spending, when in reality we will have a lower payroll in all likelihood even though more revenue will be pouring into the Dolan coffers.
Hadn't crunched the numbers like that, but they have really managed to pull one over on us as it feels like they are spending, but in reality that is not the case.
Well they could have resigned Hannahan or Kotchman and brought in the next David Delucci or Jason Michaels to play the corner outfield spot and sat on the extra dough.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Dec 29, 2012 10:24am
Yeah, they actually made a couple aggressive moves, unlike years past. Could they spend more? Yeah, they still have a lower cap total. But, at least there is the potential of fielding a competitive team.TBone14;1352195 wrote:Well they could have resigned Hannahan or Kotchman and brought in the next David Delucci or Jason Michaels to play the corner outfield spot and sat on the extra dough.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Dec 29, 2012 12:47pm
SMH at major league baseball....again. 70 million for a lifetime 258 hitter with 21 or so annual homers. No woder swish is "the life of the clubhouse". I will root my ass off for him....but he is not an upgrade for Choo.
We have upgraded at first base....but just slightly only because we haven't had a decent first baseman since Ryan Garko.
I like the acquisition of the Reds top pitching prospect. That...should be the management's mindset...not trading away top pitching prospects for a 1 year flash in the pan.
We have upgraded at first base....but just slightly only because we haven't had a decent first baseman since Ryan Garko.
I like the acquisition of the Reds top pitching prospect. That...should be the management's mindset...not trading away top pitching prospects for a 1 year flash in the pan.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 29, 2012 1:05pm
Except we didn't get the Reds' top pitching prospect. Not surprised you got that fact wrong.Footwedge;1352378 wrote:
I like the acquisition of the Reds top pitching prospect..
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Dec 30, 2012 8:16am
I'm pretty happy with the moves this offseason. I would love to get a DH though... Maybe resign Hafner and hope and pray?
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 30, 2012 11:10am
I would take Pronk back....IF...there was no one better...and he could be had at less than $1.2 mill. I could understand though, that some on here wouldn't want him back at any price
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Dec 30, 2012 1:35pm
Only facts you need to know...lhslep134;1352384 wrote:Except we didn't get the Reds' top pitching prospect. Not surprised you got that fact wrong.
Pomeranz ERA 4.93
Ubaldo 5.40
So much for your pitching prospect theory.