Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Apr 10, 2013 10:59am
Rec, I have absolutely zero proof or even validated rumors about this, but here's your "graduate transfer" option.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51260/tarik-black
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51260/tarik-black
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Gblock
Apr 10, 2013 11:03am
duke better get some guys who can dribble and get the ball across half court against a press
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birddog23
Posts: 1,086
Apr 10, 2013 1:15pm
They'll have an abundance of guards next year. Cook, Sulaimon, Thornton and then throw in athletic wings that can handle such as Hood, Parker, Dawkins. A true center that can actually play in the low post is what Duke needs.Gblock;1422759 wrote:duke better get some guys who can dribble and get the ball across half court against a press
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Apr 10, 2013 1:49pm
If you're referring to Louisville, that's not a full-court press. It's misdemeanor assault. And a lot of it illegal.Gblock;1422759 wrote:duke better get some guys who can dribble and get the ball across half court against a press
And Duke had plenty of capable guards with the ability to beat it. They did beat Louisville's press once, you know, and were tied at 42 with under 14 minutes to play in the Elite Eight. Ryan Kelly being foul trouble -- Duke's key middle "breaker" -- and a ton of missed shots are what led to the double-digit loss.
As birddog pointed out, Duke will have plenty of talent next year to handle the ball. More than opposing teams will want to deal with.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Apr 10, 2013 1:52pm
I saw discussion about Black on Devil's Den a few days ago. Not sure what the interest level is or if the kid even has Duke in mind. I didn't watch Memphis much this year so I am not intimately familiar with Black's game, but he looks like a decent rebounder and clean-up scorer.Azubuike24;1422757 wrote:Rec, I have absolutely zero proof or even validated rumors about this, but here's your "graduate transfer" option.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51260/tarik-black
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Gblock
Apr 10, 2013 1:55pm
I 100% agree with the mugging they gave to duke and the lack of calls...however it was hard to watch at times as they looked like high schoolers. they got exposed. UM certainly handled it better and to a lesser degree so did witchita st.reclegend22;1422874 wrote:If you're referring to Louisville, that's not a full-court press. It's misdemeanor assault. And a lot of it illegal.
And Duke had plenty of capable guards with the ability to beat it. They did beat Louisville's press once, you know, and were tied at 42 with under 14 minutes to play in the Elite Eight. Ryan Kelly being foul trouble -- Duke's key middle "breaker" -- and a ton of missed shots are what led to the double-digit loss.
As birddog pointed out, Duke will have plenty of talent next year to handle the ball. More than opposing teams will want to deal with.
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Gblock
Apr 10, 2013 1:55pm
which guards are you referring to?? why didnt they play those guys?
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Apr 10, 2013 2:48pm
Sulaimon, Cook and Curry were all more than capable of handling the ball under duress -- if you'll recall, they did band together to beat Louisville once this season -- and Ryan Kelly is also a superb ball handler. He was in foul trouble most of the second half, however, and that's when Louisville began to really make a run. Duke was having a hard time getting the ball out of the middle of the press through Mason Plumlee, who for some odd reason was trying to exhibit his Harlem Globetrotter dribbling and majorly fucking up, and things just got out of hand.Gblock;1422882 wrote:which guards are you referring to?? why didnt they play those guys?
Again, if Duke doesn't go ice cold and simply hits some shots down the stretch, they are in striking distance at the end.
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Apr 10, 2013 2:57pm
The press wears on teams and negatively impacts their ability to hit shots later in the game.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Apr 11, 2013 8:39am
That is generally true, but Duke was missing some wide-open looks when they were able to set up their offense in the half court. It's not like Duke hadn't been pressed before. They had already beaten Louisville's and VCU's earlier in the season.Prescott;1422925 wrote:The press wears on teams and negatively impacts their ability to hit shots later in the game.
Regardless, Louisville won and was the better team.
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Apr 11, 2013 10:39am
VCU's press and Louisville's press are two different animals. Michigan shredded the high-risk high-reward press that VCU runs. Hurried shots, which is what UL's press leads to, and the mental and physical fatigue that the Cardinals' press leads to causes the shooting percentages of their opponent to drop significantly in the last quarter of a game.reclegend22;1423300 wrote:That is generally true, but Duke was missing some wide-open looks when they were able to set up their offense in the half court. It's not like Duke hadn't been pressed before. They had already beaten Louisville's and VCU's earlier in the season.
Regardless, Louisville won and was the better team.
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birddog23
Posts: 1,086
Apr 11, 2013 5:20pm
Per Andre Dawkins' twitter he will back on the team for the 2013-2014. A dead eye shooter that could help fill the void that will be left by Seth Curry.
Good to have 'Dre back, loved watching him play and hopefully everything in his life has at least gotten a little better since the tragic car accident.
Good to have 'Dre back, loved watching him play and hopefully everything in his life has at least gotten a little better since the tragic car accident.
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birddog23
Posts: 1,086
Apr 11, 2013 6:49pm
Essentially Duke's incoming class is Rodney Hood, Andre Dawkins, Jabari Parker, Matt Jones, and Semi Ojeleye. Wow.
Now the talk/rumor is that Matt Jones could be redshirting. Also talks about Todd Z doing something as well to make room for, well....
Now the talk/rumor is that Matt Jones could be redshirting. Also talks about Todd Z doing something as well to make room for, well....
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ironman02
Posts: 4,989
Apr 11, 2013 7:34pm
How many players will be on scholarship for Duke next year? Would Jones be redshirting to make room or just because they think he's not ready? If I'm Matt Jones, I'm pretty pissed if I am forced into redshirting.birddog23;1423709 wrote:Essentially Duke's incoming class is Rodney Hood, Andre Dawkins, Jabari Parker, Matt Jones, and Semi Ojeleye. Wow.
Now the talk/rumor is that Matt Jones could be redshirting. Also talks about Todd Z doing something as well to make room for, well....
Cook/Thornton
Sulaimon/Dawkins/Jones
Hood/Murphy/Ojeleye
Parker/Hairston
Jefferson/Plumlee
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Apr 11, 2013 7:38pm
A redshirt still counts against your scholarship. As do transfers. Jones, IMO, would transfer, because Duke has 3 or 4 other shooters ahead of him...
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ironman02
Posts: 4,989
Apr 11, 2013 7:44pm
Ah, forgot that a redshirt still counts. Thanks for the correction.Azubuike24;1423745 wrote:A redshirt still counts against your scholarship. As do transfers. Jones, IMO, would transfer, because Duke has 3 or 4 other shooters ahead of him...
If Jones waits one year, Dawkins and Sulaimon will be gone.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Apr 11, 2013 7:48pm
Yeah, I mean it makes some sense, but in basketball, you rarely see any top 100 players redshirting. It just doesn't really happen nor make sense. Jones is easily capable of filling a bench role for Duke next year. He's a specialist, and one that fits the Duke scheme perfectly.
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ironman02
Posts: 4,989
Apr 11, 2013 8:12pm
I was actually just talking about there being no need to transfer. Play a smaller role as a freshman, get some experience, and then be the starting SG after one year most likely. To me, redshirting Jones makes no sense, which is why I said he should be pissed if that happens. I don't read much about Duke, other than on here, so who knows what the rationale behind it may be.Azubuike24;1423754 wrote:Yeah, I mean it makes some sense, but in basketball, you rarely see any top 100 players redshirting. It just doesn't really happen nor make sense. Jones is easily capable of filling a bench role for Duke next year. He's a specialist, and one that fits the Duke scheme perfectly.
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birddog23
Posts: 1,086
Apr 11, 2013 8:32pm
I just saw some tweets about it (Jones redshirting) so nothing official. Basically just fans and writers talking so far. The thing I am most looking into right now and am hoping that will happen is that they do not redshirt Jones, and land graduate transfer Tarik Black from Memphis.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Apr 12, 2013 9:00am
Marshall Plumlee and Alex Murphy were both Top 75 recruits and essentially McDonald's All-Americans -- Plumlee was and Murphy would have been, but reclassified so wasn't eligible -- who redshirted as first-year players. So it's certainly not that rare, at least at Duke. The staff lets them know where they stand and who is in front of them. They wanted to play at Duke.Azubuike24;1423754 wrote:Yeah, I mean it makes some sense, but in basketball, you rarely see any top 100 players redshirting. It just doesn't really happen nor make sense. Jones is easily capable of filling a bench role for Duke next year. He's a specialist, and one that fits the Duke scheme perfectly.
Matt Jones is good enough to play right away. The kid is legit. He is the best outside shooter in this year's class. He knew Dawkins was coming back -- every Duke fan did -- so I am sure the kid understands that he may have to "wait a year" for big minutes. I highly doubt he reshirts, though, and he will not transfer.
As you say, he's the perfect specialist in the Duke system.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Apr 12, 2013 9:01am
The 4 at Duke next year may be the greatest player in the nation.ccrunner609;1423844 wrote:1-2-3 positions are solid as anyone but that 4-5.....scary
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Apr 15, 2013 10:17am
Jon Scheyer reportedly a leading candidate to replace Nate James as special assistant to Coach K. James moved into an assistant coach role when Chris Collins left for Northwestern. Excited to see Scheyer back at Duke. Think he'll make a great coach. He has a very elevated basketball mind and really has a strong feel for the game.
Greg Paulus also expected to leave Ohio State's staff for Northwestern, but nothing official yet. This would be a big blow for the Buckeyes.
Greg Paulus also expected to leave Ohio State's staff for Northwestern, but nothing official yet. This would be a big blow for the Buckeyes.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Apr 15, 2013 10:34am
Excellent move for Paulus, but I don't see it as a big blow. He was the video coordinator and had a positive influence on the payers, but I think he was just getting his feet wet for his next move. IMO, losing a Jeff Boals or a Chris Jent would have a much bigger impact on the program.reclegend22;1425810 wrote:Greg Paulus also expected to leave Ohio State's staff for Northwestern, but nothing official yet. This would be a big blow for the Buckeyes.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Apr 15, 2013 11:02am
vball10set;1425825 wrote:Excellent move for Paulus, but I don't see it as a big blow. He was the video coordinator and had a positive influence on the payers, but I think he was just getting his feet wet for his next move. IMO, losing a Jeff Boals or a Chris Jent would have a much bigger impact on the program.
This and then some.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Apr 15, 2013 11:06am
^. Dude, I was joking. Lol. It's not a big blow at all. Although, I do think he had a positive impact on the development of Aaron Craft, as many stories indicated during the tournament.
Down the road, I think he'll make an excellent coach.
Down the road, I think he'll make an excellent coach.