isadore;1268681 wrote:1/8 of the population being treated as if they were 1/50th, now that is republican math alright.

Same could be said for the dems and whites then could it not? Since if the dems, in your eyes, cater to the blacks/hispanics/etc and raise those percentages (vs demographics) then the percentage of whites at the DNC mathematically HAS to be lower than demographics.

So, by isadore logic, democrats are RACIST against white people!

jmog;1268715 wrote:Same could be said for the dems and whites then could it not? Since if the dems, in your eyes, cater to the blacks/hispanics/etc and raise those percentages (vs demographics) then the percentage of whites at the DNC mathematically HAS to be lower than demographics.

So, by isadore logic, democrats are RACIST against white people!

gosh a ruddies the democraths have thousand of whites delegates, but of course giving some real representation to minorities is reprehensible to the republican party of bigotry.

At 15% unemployment one thing Dems don't appear to give to blacks would be jobs.

It is amazing that with such high unemployment and a terrible economy that this race is even close honestly.

pmoney25;1269221 wrote:It is amazing that with such high unemployment and a terrible economy that this race is even close honestly.

I'm not shocked.

As long as the gubmint keeps extending unemployment benefits, growing the Food Stamp rolls, etc. the Amerikan sheeple will gladly keeping voting for the guy most willing to allow them to continue suckling on the gubmint socialist tit.

believer;1269266 wrote:I'm not shocked.

As long as the gubmint keeps extending unemployment benefits, growing the Food Stamp rolls, etc. Amerikan the sheeple will gladly keeping voting for the guy most willing to allow them to continue suckling on the gubmint socialist tit.

and gosh a ruddies so if the Republicans win they will terminate unemployment benefits and cut the Food Stamp program so they can cut taxes for the rich. And let the poor starve and diminish the excess population.

pmoney25;1269221 wrote:It is amazing that with such high unemployment and a terrible economy that this race is even close honestly.

its easy, just have mitt romney or ron paul as alternatives.

isadore;1269282 wrote:its easy, just have mitt romney or ron paul as alternatives.

Not voting for either of those guys (since Paul is not on ballot) and definitely not Obama.

pmoney25;1269221 wrote:It is amazing that with such high unemployment and a terrible economy that this race is even close honestly.

My thoughts initially, but then I remember FDR got re-elected and re-re-elected all while driving us further into a depression. That and the media really is disgracefully running interference for Obama. It takes a really strong leader to overcome that, and I'm afraid Romney may have to be dragged across the finish line.

FDR lead the effort to pull America out of the Republican caused Great Depression, then destroy the Axis.

isadore;1269316 wrote:FDR lead the effort to pull America out of the Republican caused Great Depression, then destroy the Axis.

Japan got us out of the depression.

jhay78;1269293 wrote:My thoughts initially, but then I remember FDR got re-elected and re-re-elected all while driving us further into a depression. That and the media really is disgracefully running interference for Obama. It takes a really strong leader to overcome that, and I'm afraid Romney may have to be dragged across the finish line.

More revisionist history from the wing nut section.

hasbeen;1269324 wrote:Japan got us out of the depression.

Indeed

jhay78;1269293 wrote:My thoughts initially, but then I remember FDR got re-elected and re-re-elected all while driving us further into a depression.

stlouiedipalma;1269374 wrote:More revisionist history from the wing nut section.

BoatShoes;1269633 wrote:

Enlighten us.

Which "throw-stuff-against-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks" policy of FDR's got us out of the Great Depression?

BoatShoes;1269633 wrote:

Sorry Boat, but FDR did NOT get us out of the depression, he kept digging a bigger hole.

The needed production of military equipment for WWII got us out of the depression.

jhay78;1269666 wrote:Enlighten us.

Which "throw-stuff-against-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks" policy of FDR's got us out of the Great Depression?

Well Jhay as the picture shows, such an effort will be a waste of time because you are a true believer and the faith of a true believer will not be shaken.

However, here's a quick attempt.

First, of all we have to understand what the great depression was.

The great depression was a period between 1929-1939/1941 wherein unemployment remained above 10%. During this time frame there were two recessions.

So, it was similar to today wherein we recovered from the great crash in 1932 with the first part of the New Deal but it wasn't enough of a recovery and unemployment remained high. The Second New Deal with the Works Progress Administration did not go into effect until later (more on that in a minute).

Similar to President Obama last summer, FDR turned to deficit-reduction with acts such as the wealth tax act of 1935 as a conservative coalition took power in Congress and FDR heralded the advice of his conservative/budget hawk treasury secretary in pursuit of a balanced budget. (This was back when conservatives would agree to tax raises in pursuit of balanced budgets....something Milton Friedman later excoriated as "balancing the budget for the liberal welfare state" and "starve the beast" was born).

Thus, the great mistake of 1937 in which he actually achieved a balanced budget happened and the U.S. went back into a recession and FDR looked like he was headed to a defeat in 1940. However, in 1938 he abandoned his balanced budgets approach and launched a $5 billion spending program ($76 billion in today's dollars) in just the spring of 1938 as WWII was on the brink.

Additionally, the WPA which was passed about the same time he began turning to austerity, due to the increased in unemployment, spent nearly double than more than double its initial appropriation of $4.8 billion dollars to $13 billion dollars ending the recession of 1937. The unemployment rate dramatically dropped at that point up until 1941 when Pearl Harbor was attacked and the WPA on steroids took place with the largest full employment program in history for the mobilization for World War II.





As you can see, precisely when FDR turned to budget balancing is when the recovery returned to recession...which is precisely what the CBO predicts will happen if we allow the tax raises and spending cuts scheduled for next year to go into effect.

jmog;1269699 wrote:Sorry Boat, but FDR did NOT get us out of the depression, he kept digging a bigger hole.

The needed production of military equipment for WWII got us out of the depression.

WWII is the classic example of Weaponized Keynesianism. However, the great depression technically ended with the WPA going into full bore in the waning years of the 1930's after the 1937 recession (imagine that, an automatic stabilizer that pays the unemployed to do something rather than sit on their ass like food stamps) but given recent history, WWII undoubtedly compelled policy makers to finally put the nail in the coffin of high unemployment and not prematurely turn to budget balancing as they had done just a few years earlier.

All this demonstrates is that the Roosevelt Administration should have been even more aggressive earlier on with a program the size of WWII. Had the Nazi's not come to power and the Japanese not began aggression in the east he would have left office a failed president in 1940.

And ultimately, I agree that FDR did extend the great depression...but it's not for the same reasons conservatives do when they claim the New Deal did not work. FDR shouldn't have been concerned about balancing the budget midway through recovery while unemployment was still disastrously high just like Obama shouldn't have last year.

However, the New Deal worked tremendously but an earlier and larger commitment to the WPA...like the one that was made to WWII would have been preferable and even more effective.

isadore;1268209 wrote:gosh a ruddies, you call blacks stupid for rejecting a party bathed in bigotry.

It was the republican party that gave them civil rights.
It is the republican party that can provide them an opportunity for real jobs.
It is the republican party that wants to limit encroachment into their lives.
It is the republican party that wishes not to enslave them to BIG government for generations.

Talk to me about stupid.

jmog;1269699 wrote:Sorry Boat, but FDR did NOT get us out of the depression, he kept digging a bigger hole.

The needed production of military equipment for WWII got us out of the depression.

gosh a ruddies never during the FDR presidency was the unemployment, bank failures, bankrupticies, foreclosures worse than in the first year he took office when he was handed the results of the Republican caused Great Depression.

QuakerOats;1270053 wrote:It was the republican party that gave them civil rights.
It is the republican party that can provide them an opportunity for real jobs.
It is the republican party that wants to limit encroachment into their lives.
It is the republican party that wishes not to enslave them to BIG government for generations.

Talk to me about stupid.

it was lyndon johnson who pushed through the most important civil rights legislation of the 20th century.
republicans providing real jobs, lol.
it is the republican party that wishes to cut the safety net that protects all americans in need.
it is the republican party that has been welcoming southern segregationist since the 1960s, and as the recent actions of its members show their racism is still with us, spitting on black congressmen, throwing peanuts at black camera women, and pushing for the repeal of the 1964 civil rights act.
any decent person who supported this party would have to be stupid.

isadore;1270158 wrote:it was lyndon johnson who pushed through the most important civil rights legislation of the 20th century.
republicans providing real jobs, lol.
it is the republican party that wishes to cut the safety net that protects all americans in need.
it is the republican party that has been welcoming southern segregationist since the 1960s, and as the recent actions of its members show their racism is still with us, spitting on black congressmen, throwing peanuts at black camera women, and pushing for the repeal of the 1964 civil rights act.
any decent person who supported this party would have to be stupid.

Don't forget those Democratic activist judges who permitted minorities to attend the same schools as whites also.

I can still remember George Wallace standing on the steps at the U. of Alabama in absolute indignation that a ****** would dare try to walk through the doors.

Another memorable excerpt from the right-wing memory book.

Blacks, sold into government slavery by the democrats for 3 generations now.

What a track record.