Con_Alma;1226173 wrote:It was for those people who you gave examples of being "exploited". They chose poorly.

an artificial entity exploited them, then they acted to use the democratic process to improve their condition.

yes, we have covered that. They have nothing to complain about it they are satisfied with such events. I don't see it as a favorable thing to put my family through. Putting your security in others hands is foolishness when it comes to my family's security. I see them as choosing poorly.

If they are satisfied they should forever be pleased.

Con_Alma;1226183 wrote:yes, we have covered that. They have nothing to complain about it they are satisfied with such events. I don't see it as a favorable thing to put my family through. Putting your security in others hands is foolishness when it comes to my family's security. I see them as choosing poorly.

If they are satisfied they should forever be pleased.

using our government of the people to protect themselves and others from abuse by corporations is a positive act.

I'm glad they think so. Then they have nothing to hate about the process.

I say they choose poorly putting their families in a position of dependency and in security.

Maybe they can choose to rely upon income from another corporation that will soon be relocating operations to China. ...then beg the government for some security because they chose poorly. It's sad really.

Con_Alma;1226193 wrote:I'm glad they think so. Then they have nothing to hate about the process.

I say they choose poorly putting their families in a position of dependency and in security.

Maybe they can choose to rely upon income from another corporation that will soon be relocating operations to China. ...then beg the government for some security because they chose poorly. It's sad really.

they do have something to hate about the soulless corporation that tried to exploit them.

They have the choice to not put themselves into that situation to be exploited. They choose to be reliant on someone else to protect and save them. It's sad.

they were presented with a situation with no good choices. They used the democratic process to better the situation.

They created the situation that led to no good choices. The chose poorly.

they were presented with the situation which was exploited by soulless artificial entity.

They chose poorly acting on such presentation. They are just as able to make choices that enable them to create and mantian their own economic security. The chose an alternate path.

what?

They are just as able to make choices that enable them to create and mantian their own economic security. They chose an alternate path and placed their security in other's hands. It's sad.

Con_Alma;1226304 wrote:They are just as able to make choices that enable them to create and mantian their own economic security. They chose an alternate path and placed their security in other's hands. It's sad.

that alternative was not available to them until they acted through the democratic process to aleviate their suffering as when people use the services of the police to protect them from exploiters.

They wouldn't have needed the democratic process if they would have made different decisions prior. They would have had to work for a corporation and be in a situation of suffering. They placed their security in someone else's hands. They chose poorly. Now they are dependent on a government. It's sad.

DeyDurkie5;1226026 wrote:Isadore is sleeper, in case you guys didn't know.

I haven't been on here much lately, when was this found out? Or is this just a theory?

It's already been confirmed by sleeper himself.

Well played by Sleeper then, I didn't think anyone could be that delusional (well I hoped).

Con_Alma;1226313 wrote:They wouldn't have needed the democratic process if they would have made different decisions prior. They would have had to work for a corporation and be in a situation of suffering. They placed their security in someone else's hands. They chose poorly. Now they are dependent on a government. It's sad.

quite the opposite, the corporations exploited a situation produced by the closing of the frontier, the expanded use of farm mechanization, overpopulation and oppression in europe to exploit people with no good choices. Then those people improved their situtation by the use of democratic process. That is people taking action to protect themselves and society from artificial soulless entities.

The people chose to procreate to a level that you stated was to large for their farms. The people chose to come to the US from Europe. Those decisions left them dependent on "souless entities". Without those deisions they would not have need protection. The placed their security in someone elses hands, the governemnt.

They chose poorly.

Con_Alma;1226382 wrote:The people chose to procreate to a level that you stated was to large for their farms. The people chose to come to the US from Europe. Those decisions left them dependent on "souless entities". Without those deisions they would not have need protection. The placed their security in someone elses hands, the governemnt.

They chose poorly.

Their parent did the procreation. They amd the immigrants were presented with a hobson's choice of starving or going to work in the factories. they had no good options until they used the democratic process to improve their situation. they acted rather positively rather than continuing their suffering.

isadore;1226393 wrote:Their parent did the procreation. They amd the immigrants were presented with a hobson's choice of starving or going to work in the factories. they had no good options until they used the democratic process to improve their situation. they acted rather positively rather than continuing their suffering.

Lol Yes, I know who did the procreation. Does anyone else procreate except for the parents? They chose poorly in so doing. They needn't put themselves and their family in such a situation. All of our decisions have ramifications.

Con_Alma;1226394 wrote:Lol Yes, I know who did the procreation. Does anyone else procreate except for the parents? They chose poorly in so doing. They needn't put themselves and their family in such a situation. All of our decisions have ramifications.

gosh a ruddies, based on your previous statements blaming the people who were forced into factories and mine for their own procreation, it seemed you believed they reproduced through agamogenesis. The parents made the choice, not them. After being put into an intolerable situation through no real choice of their own, they improved it through the positve use of government.

isadore;1226399 wrote:gosh a ruddies, based on your previous statements blaming the people who were forced into factories and mine for their own procreation, it seemed you believed they reproduced through agamogenesis. The parents made the choice, not them. After being put into an intolerable situation through no real choice of their own, they improved it through the positve use of government.

It's sad when people make choices like that and become dependent on others and then complain about being treated a certain way. There was plenty of land out there during the industrial revolution. My father came in here in 1921. My grandparents and his bothers fought to rent land to live off of. There are always options. They scrapped and saved through the great depression until such time as they paid cash for the land that I still own to this day in his honor. They paid cash during a historical time when it was a challenge to find food for the next meal. As many as 8 people could live off of 1 acre of farmed land at that time. There are always options. There are also always excuses to be had. Working in a factory is but one option. Relying on another for economic security is a choice. There are ramifications to the choices we make.

Those people you mentioned chose poorly.

It is not sad when people fight against an intolerable situation by using the democratic process. While your personal story is interesting and admirable, as with much anecdotes it is not applicable to the millions who were forced into the Hobson’s choice of working for corporation in the Post bellum era of America. Corporation, artificial entities driven only by profit, ran rampant destroying the lives of the workers and often their customers. Workers and consumers banded together using the tools provided by our democracy to rein in the soulless money driven business organization. What they did benefited them and our whole country.

isadore;1226510 wrote:It is not sad when people fight against an intolerable situation by using the democratic process. ....

I have never suggested that was what is sad.

What's sad is the choices people make to make themselves dependent on others. Those are poor choices.