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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Jun 14, 2012 4:22pm
Pretty much this. I sometimes say things to stir the pot a bit but it's usually to illustrate a point and not to literally call someone/group Nazis. Rarely are you doing well in a debate or discussion if you call the opposing side Nazis.Heretic;1200047 wrote:Yeah, I don't know that it's JJ-level modding when people are attempting to at least be philosophical and cool while discussing what easily can become a bitchfest issue and someone starts making wildly exaggerated comments just to stir the pot and turn things into that bitchfest. I'm not religious and don't particularly care for it, but comparing it (with the exception of particular sects/groups/cults) to Nazis is basically like saying "Fuck having rational talk, LET'S FIGHT!!!"
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jun 14, 2012 4:24pm
Unless they actually are Nazis. In which case, you're just reiterating a point.I Wear Pants;1200058 wrote:Pretty much this. I sometimes say things to stir the pot a bit but it's usually to illustrate a point and not to literally call someone/group Nazis. Rarely are you doing well in a debate or discussion if you call the opposing side Nazis.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 14, 2012 4:43pm
It's actually a logical fallacy to do so. It's called argumentum ad Hitlerum, which can be explained in this:
1. You believe/are 'A'.
2. Widely accepted bad group believes/is 'A'.
3. Widely accepted bad group is bad.
4. Therefore, you are bad.
It is named what it is because the most common use in modernity seems to be Hitler or Naziism (for more on it, there is a Wikipedia page on it).
The idea is to find commonality between a group or though and a negatively-viewed other group or thought, but with the commonality not being the "bad" part of the latter group.
In sleeper's example, the commonality was that of "being an opinion," which is not the cause of the negative stigma associated with the Nazis.
1. You believe/are 'A'.
2. Widely accepted bad group believes/is 'A'.
3. Widely accepted bad group is bad.
4. Therefore, you are bad.
It is named what it is because the most common use in modernity seems to be Hitler or Naziism (for more on it, there is a Wikipedia page on it).
The idea is to find commonality between a group or though and a negatively-viewed other group or thought, but with the commonality not being the "bad" part of the latter group.
In sleeper's example, the commonality was that of "being an opinion," which is not the cause of the negative stigma associated with the Nazis.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Jun 14, 2012 4:47pm
^^^^
Wow.. How are you ever going to mod the poli form????
Wow.. How are you ever going to mod the poli form????
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 14, 2012 4:50pm
I didn't say I'd ban for it. I just said that is illogical, as it is a common fallacy.Devils Advocate;1200100 wrote:^^^^
Wow.. How are you ever going to mod the poli form????
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jun 14, 2012 5:15pm
Ironman92;1198813 wrote:Dear Heavenly Father,
Please let this thread continue on for at least the rest of the month. Be with the troubled families in Butte and thank you for not being butt hurt. In Jesus name we pray.... Amen
So far....there is a God.