sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 14, 2012 2:13pm
Negotiations in politics are slightly more different than ones that involve logic and reason on one side and "faith(read: BS)" on the other side.Raw Dawgin' it;1199804 wrote:lol you missed the point....
mcburg93
Posts: 3,167
Jun 14, 2012 2:13pm
wait a second here so you are saying there is no god? God damn it all these years I've been taught to pray and none of them come true now I know why. Next you're gonna say santa clause and the easter bunny are not real. What has this world come too.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jun 14, 2012 2:13pm
Jesus Christ....are you guys doing all this at work?
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jun 14, 2012 2:14pm
mcburg93;1199817 wrote:wait a second here so you are saying there is no god? God damn it all these years I've been taught to pray and none of them come true now I know why. Next you're gonna say santa clause and the easter bunny are not real. What has this world come too.
Fuck the tooth fairy.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jun 14, 2012 2:14pm
Politics and religion are both opinions - negotiations would be the same.sleeper;1199816 wrote:Negotiations in politics are slightly more different than ones that involve logic and reason on one side and "faith(read: BS)" on the other side.
mcburg93
Posts: 3,167
Jun 14, 2012 2:16pm
damn it man forgot the tooth fairy. My whole world has been turned upside down.Ironman92;1199819 wrote:Fuck the tooth fairy.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 14, 2012 2:17pm
Saying religion is an opinion is like saying Nazism is an opinion. Atheism is akin to having no opinion, because given the evidence, belief in god isn't even on the map. Do you really want to be associated with Nazism?Raw Dawgin' it;1199821 wrote:Politics and religion are both opinions - negotiations would be the same.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Jun 14, 2012 2:19pm
Dude now you're just getting ridiculous. You aren't helping and you aren't opening anyone's eyes by calling them Nazis.sleeper;1199832 wrote:Saying religion is an opinion is like saying Nazism is an opinion. Atheism is akin to having no opinion, because given the evidence, belief in god isn't even on the map. Do you really want to be associated with Nazism?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 14, 2012 2:20pm
:rolleyes:I Wear Pants;1199835 wrote:Dude now you're just getting ridiculous. You aren't helping and you aren't opening anyone's eyes by calling them Nazis.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jun 14, 2012 2:20pm
The views of the nazis were their opinions. You're telling me it'd be illogical to talk someone out of their political views? Sounds like you're a holocaust supporter then.sleeper;1199832 wrote:Saying religion is an opinion is like saying Nazism is an opinion. Atheism is akin to having no opinion, because given the evidence, belief in god isn't even on the map. Do you really want to be associated with Nazism?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 14, 2012 2:22pm
Wouldn't you rather live in a world where opinions were irrelevant and evidence was paramount? Given the evidence, which is zero, religion shouldn't even be on the map.Raw Dawgin' it;1199839 wrote:The views of the nazis were their opinions. You're telling me it'd be illogical to talk someone out of their political views? Sounds like you're a holocaust supporter then.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jun 14, 2012 2:23pm
No - but i do find yours to be.sleeper;1199841 wrote:Wouldn't you rather live in a world where opinions were irrelevant.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 14, 2012 2:41pm
That's sad.Raw Dawgin' it;1199845 wrote:No - but i do find yours to be.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 14, 2012 3:09pm
Sleeper, the problem with your Utopian aspiration is that you assume what should be and should not be accepted as proof. To validate a fact, we appeal to a certain epistemological model, which is good. The problem arises when we then try to validate that epistemological model's authority without reasoning circularly. At such point, we virtually have no basis for assuming the superiority of one epistemological model over another, because in order to do so without subjectivity, we'd need to appeal to something that supersedes it which grants it the superiority.sleeper;1199841 wrote:Wouldn't you rather live in a world where opinions were irrelevant and evidence was paramount? Given the evidence, which is zero, religion shouldn't even be on the map.
Logic, thus, does not permit the blind assumption of one model for proof being necessarily superior.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jun 14, 2012 3:10pm
Comparing religion to Naziism? LOL. That's some isadore-level trolling. Thread ban.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 14, 2012 3:18pm
Damn. It was just about to get good.justincredible;1199918 wrote:Comparing religion to Naziism? LOL. That's some isadore-level trolling. Thread ban.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jun 14, 2012 3:19pm
If you want to unban him from the thread, feel free. But he's your responsibility after that. 
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 14, 2012 3:23pm
or this is the point where it's decided that the topic has run its course and additional real discussion become nearly impossible.O-Trap;1199933 wrote:Damn. It was just about to get good.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 14, 2012 3:44pm
I don't think that's the case, at all. I think there is still plenty of good discussion to be had.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Jun 14, 2012 3:50pm
That's some JJ-level moderating. I would reconsider.justincredible;1199918 wrote:Comparing religion to Naziism? LOL. That's some isadore-level trolling. Thread ban.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jun 14, 2012 4:11pm
I disagree. And like I said, O-Trap is free to open it back up for him. Now, if I deleted all of his posts and perma-banned him I'd agree with you.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jun 14, 2012 4:16pm
Yeah, I don't know that it's JJ-level modding when people are attempting to at least be philosophical and cool while discussing what easily can become a bitchfest issue and someone starts making wildly exaggerated comments just to stir the pot and turn things into that bitchfest. I'm not religious and don't particularly care for it, but comparing it (with the exception of particular sects/groups/cults) to Nazis is basically like saying "Fuck having rational talk, LET'S FIGHT!!!"
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Jun 14, 2012 4:17pm
justincredible;1200036 wrote:I disagree. And like I said, O-Trap is free to open it back up for him. Now, if I deleted all of his posts and perma-banned him I'd agree with you.
Hmmmmm..... Sleeper made a reference to nazism, and now this. methinks there is a conspiracy afoot.
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Jun 14, 2012 4:17pm
And that's why we have the basementHeretic;1200047 wrote:"Fuck having rational talk, LET'S FIGHT!!!"
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jun 14, 2012 4:19pm
Indeed. Which we could have called the Fuck Having Rational Talk, LET'S FIGHT!!! Forum, but Google Adsense would probably throw a bitch fit about that, like they (used to) do with all our other good ideas... You know, like teh pornz.gorocks99;1200049 wrote:And that's why we have the basement