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Footwedge
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Jun 13, 2012 12:24am
I didn't see the play....but Hammy confirmed the guy was dead. You can definitely make an assumption on a play like that. The only time you can't assume something is a DP...which is one of the dumbest rules in baseball.Laley23;1197605 wrote:They really called that first run unearned?
While the dude was dead with a good throw from Santana, you cant assume it. Cueto easily scores on the Votto groundout, I would think. That run should be earned.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Jun 13, 2012 12:28am
Jeanmar was drafted in the same round as I was. Just a little hint there.wes_mantooth;1197520 wrote:Actually, I have no idea. I can't keep track of all the terrible moves this organization has made.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jun 13, 2012 12:30am
Footwedge;1197906 wrote:I didn't see the play....but Hammy confirmed the guy was dead. You can definitely make an assumption on a play like that. The only time you can't assume something is a DP...which is one of the dumbest rules in baseball.
That is interesting....I never heard that before when applied to a pick off
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 13, 2012 12:34am
That may be true, I have no clue, but it is not ever interpreted that way. A good throw nails a lot of guys stealing. But they arent given errors when the guy is safe. Was he going to be out? Probably. Was he stuck in the middle of 1st and 2nd? No. He was diving back. He wouldve been out by less than a foot, hardly "dead". That run should be earned, no doubt about it.Footwedge;1197906 wrote:I didn't see the play....but Hammy confirmed the guy was dead. You can definitely make an assumption on a play like that. The only time you can't assume something is a DP...which is one of the dumbest rules in baseball.
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Footwedge
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Jun 13, 2012 12:41am
Like I said...I didn't see the play. Hamilton said the guy was going to be out. The official scorer agreed with Hamilton. If that's the case. then the run has to be unearned.Laley23;1197942 wrote:That may be true, I have no clue, but it is not ever interpreted that way. A good throw nails a lot of guys stealing. But they arent given errors when the guy is safe. Was he going to be out? Probably. Was he stuck in the middle of 1st and 2nd? No. He was diving back. He wouldve been out by less than a foot, hardly "dead". That run should be earned, no doubt about it.
Case in point. Sac fly with one out...and the throw beats the runner, but the catcher drops the ball...it is an error and an unearned run. This play...same scenario...other than who receives the error.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Jun 13, 2012 12:46am
Are you somehow saying that if a guy drops the throw when the runner was going to be out...it is not ruled an error? Really?wes_mantooth;1197927 wrote:That is interesting....I never heard that before when applied to a pick off
When a guy is thrown out at second on a steal attempt...only to have the SS drop the ball...it is always ruled an error as in every single time.
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Jun 13, 2012 12:48am
Going to the game tomorrow.
roll tribe
roll tribe
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jun 13, 2012 12:50am
Footwedge;1197988 wrote:Are you somehow saying that if a guy drops the throw when the runner was going to be out...it is not ruled an error? Really?
When a guy is thrown out at second on a steal attempt...only to have the SS drop the ball...it is always ruled an error as in every single time.
No, I wasn't being a smartass, I had never seen this happen....or at least paid attention to the official scoring on it. Even though I am sure it is fairly common
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Jun 13, 2012 2:43am
I dont think i have ever seen that either.Footwedge;1197988 wrote:Are you somehow saying that if a guy drops the throw when the runner was going to be out...it is not ruled an error? Really?
When a guy is thrown out at second on a steal attempt...only to have the SS drop the ball...it is always ruled an error as in every single time.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jun 13, 2012 6:14am
Unless he was pitching for Colorado. Lolzzzzz.wes_mantooth;1197776 wrote:Except for Jimenez...he would already have thrown 120 pitches.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jun 13, 2012 7:56am
...and Gomez did. He was taken out of the game with his team solidly in the game. In contrast, the bullpen gave up 5 runs in 4 innings.I expect ANY starter to be able to go more than 5 innings.
Other than the the closer and set up guys, the rest of the pen has been spotty at best.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Jun 13, 2012 9:27am
This. I think people over estimate the tribe bullpen.HitsRus;1198098 wrote:...and Gomez did. He was taken out of the game with his team solidly in the game. In contrast, the bullpen gave up 5 runs in 4 innings.
Other than the the closer and set up guys, the rest of the pen has been spotty at best.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Jun 13, 2012 9:32am
When we have the lead we have possibly a top 3 bullpen in the league but when we're losing it's a bottom 3 bullpen lol
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Jun 13, 2012 12:41pm
actually I was wrong ...the BP gave up 5 runs in 3 innings...the Reds didn't have to bat in the 9th.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 13, 2012 1:08pm
He kept us in the game, but he couldnt make it past the 5th. That sucks. It isnt horrible like giving up 6 runs and only going 5. But it isnt good.HitsRus;1198098 wrote:...and Gomez did. He was taken out of the game with his team solidly in the game. In contrast, the bullpen gave up 5 runs in 4 innings.
Other than the the closer and set up guys, the rest of the pen has been spotty at best.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 13, 2012 4:11pm
Lowe 7-2 3.72 ERA vs Latos 4-2 4.85 ERA
First Pitch 7:10
First Pitch 7:10
BRF
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Jun 13, 2012 5:32pm
FIFYCon_Alma;1198880 wrote:Lowe 7-4 3.72 ERA vs Latos 4-2 4.85 ERA
First Pitch 7:10
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 13, 2012 5:59pm
ooops, thanks.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 13, 2012 8:00pm
Bunt singles and power from Kipnis.
You don't see a lot of #3 hitters bunting.
You don't see a lot of #3 hitters bunting.
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Con_Alma
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Jun 13, 2012 8:04pm
20 game hitting streak now for Brantley
wildcats20
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Jun 13, 2012 8:04pm
Brantley seems to be really come around, eh?
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Con_Alma
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Jun 13, 2012 8:05pm
He's been locked in for a while now.
Damon had to be looking curve ball there.
Damon had to be looking curve ball there.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Jun 13, 2012 8:27pm
bases loaded 0 outs and we score 1 on a fielders choice....
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 13, 2012 8:40pm
Lowe is all over the place. 2 walks have contributed to 2 runs.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 13, 2012 8:53pm
Our pitching is really weak. If we are in contention, Id rather they get a pitcher than a bat. But a RH power bat would be nice.