enigmaax;1149344 wrote:...

But when you can't explain the negativity away, you just have to believe that God is so good that if he didn't intervene he must've had a reason because that is what this book written by men says. That is what gives people "comfort"?

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Skyhook79;1149479 wrote:You are missing the point. God is going to restore his Kingdom here on Earth regardless if I/you/anyone are on board with his plan. It's your choice to be on board or not.

BORIStheCrusher;1149491 wrote:So what about the miscarriage my wife and I had? Was our future son/daughter on board with his plan; does he/she have eternal life?

Heretic;1149353 wrote:And there you go. It was simple coincidence that right after a servant of god complained about kids taunting him (oh, wait...CURSED them in the name of the lord), those two bears suddenly strolled onto the scene and killed 42 of them while apparently ignoring him. PURE ****ING COINCIDENCE!!!!

Con_Alma;1149470 wrote:It did answer you original question. Faith in Christ doesn't provide "relief" from hard times here. Hard times can't be avoided here.

The comfort that is present is a separate issue. There is comfort in know you have eternal life.

It doesn't bother me that people had different beliefs during different time periods at all. I am not cheated in any way. I get to decide if I accept and have faith in Christ.

My parents didn't indoctrinate me. It was not them that introduced me to the church. Why would you assume such a thing?

Con_Alma;1149473 wrote:You will always and forever have a problem with Christianity if it is logic you are relying on for an expatiation. God does not use logic for your benefit. There would be no reason to have faith.

The reason I am not bothered by others who claim to be rational not believing it or people wil PhD's accepting Christianity or not is because my potion and belief is not based on other's logic, rational, or acceptance of Christ as the Messiah.

Skyhook79;1149479 wrote:You are missing the point. God is going to restore his Kingdom here on Earth regardless if I/you/anyone are on board with his plan. It's your choice to be on board or not.

sleeper;1149500 wrote:Faith does provide relief in the sense you receieve comfort for given up the ability to have a logical sound mind. It's a terrible trade off, especially when said faith has never been, can never be, and will never be proven. Why is faith good enough?

A majority of people that have faith believe in the exact same faith that their parents believe in. They are indoctrinated at baptism and are force fed religion their entire life. You are likely so far in, that going back now would make your entire life a living lie. That is why religion is so hard to "cure" because people get too far in to back out.

OSH;1149496 wrote:There is a BIG difference from a person "cursing in the name of the Lord" and "God sending."

Anyone can "curse someone in the name of the Lord," that doesn't mean that "God sent" anything. It doesn't have to be "pure coincidence." It just means that you cannot say that something is "cursed in the name of the Lord" equals "God sending."

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

sleeper;1149505 wrote:What if you are not on board with this plan? What about the Islams? Are they are board? Do you just die?

Seems like another logical loophole that cults use to retain members. If you aren't with us, you will die. Do you know how gangs work Skyhook? They work in the exact same way, except its far more real as members do get "blasted" if they chose to live another life.

Con_Alma;1149506 wrote:It's not a trade off at all. Faith isn't intended to provide logic or rational. It isn't intended to provide comfort even if it does.

You ask why is faith good enough? Good enough for what? It isn't "good enough" for you and for many others.

I don't have faith in Christ for the purpose of the comfort it may or may not provide or that it might rid the world or ills or explain the tragedies of the world. I have faith in Christ because I believe he is the Messiah.

Con_Alma;1149506 wrote:I have faith in Christ because I believe he is the Messiah.

Con_Alma;1149508 wrote:What do you mean by "just" die?

You don't have to be on board. You either believe in Christ or you don't.

sleeper;1149501 wrote:Faith isn't good enough. Logic is all we have to use to define a credible rational human being. I'm glad you admit that those with faith have come to this conclusion, not by logic or reason, but by pure delusion.

sleeper;1149511 wrote:What happens to those that aren't on board when "God comes to restore his kingdom on earth"? I don't know about you, but we all live on Earth, regardless of what we believe.

Con_Alma;1149513 wrote:Believe it or not faith is "good enough" if you had it but you do not have faith that Christ is the eternal savior.

Your gladness that with regard to my understanding is kind of you but has no bearing or impact on how or why I have such an understanding.

2kool4skool;1149510 wrote:Why? You might have picked wrong. How do you have a better chance of picking correctly than any other person?

Con_Alma;1149514 wrote:There is a second chance for those still alive on earth when the rapture of the church occurs.. It is explain in the book of Revelation.

Con_Alma;1149516 wrote:The presence of the Holy Spirit provides the Grace to have such faith. Such presence is why I have faith in who is the Messiah. It isn't by chance at all.

sleeper;1149515 wrote:I meant Faith is not good enough to justify an erroneous belief as being anything more than an erroneous belief. It would be a travesty if faith was used in anything other than religion, why does religion get a pass?

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Con_Alma;1149520 wrote:Ahhh, thank you for expanding. I agree that faith isn't good enough to have an erroneous belief. I don't have an erroneous belief,however.

Religion doesn't get a free pass. You don't have to accept it at all on such a premise...and you don't so... no free pass.

sleeper;1149518 wrote:But there are multiple books of Revelations. Islam has it, Judaism has it, how are we suppose to know who to follow or what to believe "when"(because when is a statement of fact, apparently allowed to be unproven only in religion) that rapture occurs.

Con_Alma;1149516 wrote:The presence of the Holy Spirit provides the Grace to have such faith. Such presence is why I have faith in who is the Messiah. It isn't by chance at all.

sleeper;1149521 wrote:In that case, do I have to accept the US Civil War? Or how about the Holocaust?

What about you, do you accept a global flood that never took place? How can you segment reality with faith?

Con_Alma;1149522 wrote:The triune God has a component which is the Holy Spirit. The presence of the Holy Spirit is reveling and clarifying. If you are open, which you do not present yourself as being so, the Holy Spirit will preside and assist you.