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Apr 20, 2012 2:41 PM
Skyhook79;1148959 wrote:Adam and Eve dis- obeyed a direct command from the creator is the reason. I thought you said you read the Bible?
They couldn't help it, they were talked into it by a snake.

I mean seriously, people buy this shit? It doesn't even try to allow for a semblance of credibility.
Apr 20, 2012 2:41pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:42 PM
Apr 20, 2012 2:42pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:42 PM
I Wear Pants;1148948 wrote:So you're saying that if part of a book is true than the rest of a book is true. You're saying that if the purely historical parts of the Bible are true it gives weight to the claims of magic found in the Bible.

I strongly disagree.
I am not saying that...AiG's premise is that. They are going on "Biblical authority." That the Bible is accurate "here, here, and here" so then the rest are accurate -- and they are doing this on multiple levels. Not just going off of a "flood" and saying EVERYTHING is accurate. They are going on multiple things throughout the whole Bible to prove it's "authority" (or accuracy).

But, (this is what I'm saying) why can't this stuff be true? Why not "prove" things throughout a book, which was written for a specific purpose, in order to "prove" its legitimacy? Why can't that happen? Just because you don't think the "magic" could happen doesn't mean it couldn't (or didn't). Just because you (or anyone else) cannot understand how someone could be the "Son of God" doesn't mean He isn't -- sound similar to the Judaism and Christianity rift?
Apr 20, 2012 2:42pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:43 PM
Skyhook79;1148959 wrote:Adam and Eve dis- obeyed a direct command from the creator is the reason. I thought you said you read the Bible?
Please explain that if god is infallible and we were created in his image, why are we not infallible?

I totally agree with IWP

"It's very telling to me that in most religions the god hates all the same things and people as the followers of that religion and has chosen them as the special people."
Apr 20, 2012 2:43pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:44 PM
sleeper;1148961 wrote:They couldn't help it, they were talked into it by a snake.

I mean seriously, people buy this shit? It doesn't even try to allow for a semblance of credibility.
According to you apes can talk and drive cars...
Apr 20, 2012 2:44pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:45 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1148965 wrote:Please explain that if god is infallible and we were created in his image, why are we not infallible?

I totally agree with IWP

"It's very telling to me that in most religions the god hates all the same things and people as the followers of that religion and has chosen them as the special people."
Because he gave us free will. If he didn't what would be the point of life?
Apr 20, 2012 2:45pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:46 PM
Skyhook79;1148967 wrote:According to you apes can talk and drive cars...
Sleeper never claimed that. I'd like you to show where he or anyone here said that apes can talk and drive cars.
Apr 20, 2012 2:46pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:46 PM
Skyhook79;1148968 wrote:Because he gave us free will. If he didn't what would be the point of life?
Either way he created evil then.
Apr 20, 2012 2:46pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:47 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1148965 wrote:Please explain that if god is infallible and we were created in his image, why are we not infallible?

I totally agree with IWP

"It's very telling to me that in most religions the god hates all the same things and people as the followers of that religion and has chosen them as the special people."
Not at all, God said everyone is welcome to accept him. It's your choice and lack of relationship with Jesus Christ that keeps you from salvation not God.
Apr 20, 2012 2:47pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:48 PM
Skyhook79;1148968 wrote:Because he gave us free will. If he didn't what would be the point of life?
lol thou shall not worship false idols, but i will give you free will to do what you want. I will give you what makes you an individual but make it completely useless if you don't follow the rules I give you. gtfo.
Apr 20, 2012 2:48pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:49 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1148974 wrote:lol thou shall not worship false idols, but i will give you free will to do what you want. I will give you what makes you an individual but make it completely useless if you don't follow the rules I give you. gtfo.
Free will = do what I command or you get leprosy, plagues, snakebites and swallowed by the earth.
Apr 20, 2012 2:49pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:50 PM
Skyhook79;1148972 wrote:Not at all, God said everyone is welcome to accept him. It's your choice and lack of relationship with Jesus Christ that keeps you from salvation not God.
When Jesus comes back and shakes my hand i'll believe it.
Apr 20, 2012 2:50pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:51 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1148974 wrote:lol thou shall not worship false idols, but i will give you free will to do what you want. I will give you what makes you an individual but make it completely useless if you don't follow the rules I give you. gtfo.

"Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything. 1 Corithians 6:12
Apr 20, 2012 2:51pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:51 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1148977 wrote:When Jesus comes back and shakes my hand i'll believe it.
Peter and Thomas said something similar.
Apr 20, 2012 2:51pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:52 PM
Heretic;1148976 wrote:Free will = do what I command or you get leprosy, plagues, snakebites and swallowed by the earth.
Link?
Apr 20, 2012 2:52pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:53 PM
Dude, you're using the Bible to try to prove that the Bible is true.
Apr 20, 2012 2:53pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:53 PM
Heretic;1148976 wrote:Free will = do what I command or you get leprosy, plagues, snakebites and swallowed by the earth.
plagues never happened, he's not a jew.
Apr 20, 2012 2:53pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:54 PM
I Wear Pants;1148983 wrote:Dude, you're using the Bible to try to prove that the Bible is true.
LOL this!
Apr 20, 2012 2:54pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:54 PM
I Wear Pants;1148963 wrote:
Awesome!
Apr 20, 2012 2:54pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:55 PM
Skyhook79;1148967 wrote:According to you apes can talk and drive cars...
I have never said this. Nice try though.
Apr 20, 2012 2:55pm
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Apr 20, 2012 2:58 PM
Skyhook79;1148982 wrote:Link?
Start at Exodus and move forward.
Apr 20, 2012 2:58pm
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Apr 20, 2012 3:07 PM
Skyhook79;1148968 wrote:Because he gave us free will. If he didn't what would be the point of life?
Whoa wait. I thought God has a plan for all of us? Which is it?

Circular logic is another flaw of religious belief.
Apr 20, 2012 3:07pm
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Apr 20, 2012 3:37 PM
LOL skyhook getting pwned. Keep it coming boys. beers for all the pwnage.
Apr 20, 2012 3:37pm
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Apr 20, 2012 3:42 PM
sleeper;1149002 wrote:Whoa wait. I thought God has a plan for all of us? Which is it?

Circular logic is another flaw of religious belief.
there's only a plan if you believe, other wise you make your own decisions.
Apr 20, 2012 3:42pm
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Apr 20, 2012 4:10 PM
Heretic;1148995 wrote:Start at Exodus and move forward.

Cryhook, I do not even think God can win against a reply like this,
Apr 20, 2012 4:10pm