Game 4 - St. Louis Cardinals (Westbrook) @ Cincinnati Reds (Bailey)

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Apr 9, 2012 8:48 PM
Dusty made the move to Bray more for Bray's benefit - getting him in earlier in the game in non-critical situations.
Apr 9, 2012 8:48pm
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Apr 9, 2012 8:51 PM
jordo212000;1140491 wrote:Hope BP is okay and doesn't need to go to the DL. I'd rather have Valaika over Frazier. Not sure about the bonerfest that everybody has for Frazier?

Because Frazier is more versatile and had a great spring?
Apr 9, 2012 8:51pm
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Apr 9, 2012 8:53 PM
BP better hurry up and sign that contract before the number of years and dollars per year goes down by his just demonstrated middle age susceptibility to injuries!
Apr 9, 2012 8:53pm
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Apr 9, 2012 8:56 PM
justincredible;1140505 wrote:Because Frazier is more versatile and had a great spring?

Yea Frazier deserved a spot to begin with. That kid was awesome all spring.
Apr 9, 2012 8:56pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:04 PM
jordo212000;1140495 wrote:Shut up Bailey and get the F to the dugout. You can ask to stay in the game after a dominant performance, not after you screw our chances of winning over in the first inning and then walk your final hitter on 4 pitches
Can't put it all on Bailey, this offense has had chances, and done nothing with them.
Apr 9, 2012 9:04pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:08 PM
justincredible;1140505 wrote:Because Frazier is more versatile and had a great spring?

Spring training really means nothing. I just remember seeing him scuffle at the plate when he was up last year. Hit .232
Apr 9, 2012 9:08pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:11 PM
Only 16K in attendance. That's pathetic.
Apr 9, 2012 9:11pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:12 PM
wildcats20;1140521 wrote:Only 16K in attendance. That's pathetic.

Not fun watching baseball in the cold, but agreed that 16k is weak
Apr 9, 2012 9:12pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:22 PM
Nice job Arredondo
Apr 9, 2012 9:22pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:24 PM
jordo212000;1140518 wrote:Spring training really means nothing. I just remember seeing him scuffle at the plate when he was up last year. Hit .232

ST means everything for guys like Frazier.
Apr 9, 2012 9:24pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:25 PM
Only 16k which sucks, but game 4 last season only had 11k.
Apr 9, 2012 9:25pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:31 PM
justincredible;1140536 wrote:ST means everything for guys like Frazier.

Sure it does for him, but feasting on watered down / minor league-esque pitching doesn't do much for me. I just know Valaika hit pretty well when he was up with the big club and is a little more natural at 2B

Now... if Phillips doesn't go on the DL and they need a guy to bring up in a week or two, I have no problem with Frazier. Much more versatile
Apr 9, 2012 9:31pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:31 PM
jordo212000;1140522 wrote:Not fun watching baseball in the cold, but agreed that 16k is weak
Its hard to fathom how a good business can justify giving Votto that much money, and contemplating giving BP quite a bit. Its great for the fans. Maybe the franchise has turned from a business to a hobby!
Apr 9, 2012 9:31pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:36 PM
Baseball makes alot its bank from media deals and MLB.com advertising / sales

81 home games with 20,000 in attendance buying overpriced beer and food doesn't hurt though. Baseball owners have no shortage of cash. And besides McCourt all owners were incredibly wealthy beforehand as well. Whether they want to keep a star player is really completely up to the owner
Apr 9, 2012 9:36pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:38 PM
The B bullpen team in there in the 8th for the final straw contributing in the loss! Typical Arredondo command problems. After getting the lead-off batter, he goes to 3 ball counts on both batters who got hits, along with two walks to end up with 1/3 of an IP and 3 earned runs.
Apr 9, 2012 9:38pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:45 PM
mhs95_06;1140546 wrote:Its hard to fathom how a good business can justify giving Votto that much money, and contemplating giving BP quite a bit. Its great for the fans. Maybe the franchise has turned from a business to a hobby!
Don't forget that the FS Ohio contract is due again in a few years. They are expecting more attendance this year, which will lead to more cash flow. And there is talk of Cincinnati getting an All-Star game in the near future which will be a big cash cow.

Castellini didn't get rich by making poor financial decisions. People can question the contract all they want. But I'm pretty sure he knows what he can afford for Votto and Phillips. And unless you are his accountant, you really don't have a clue.
Apr 9, 2012 9:45pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:49 PM
The TV contract is the downfall, at least for attendance. The Reds have, per capita, the largest fan viewership for games. They were second overall 2 years ago in ratings (behind the Yankees I believe) and 4th or 5th last year.

Lets face it. Reds fans care. There are more fans than ever. However, they are watching on TV, probably on their 58-inch LED's like myself and not going to the games.

Whether this hurts or helps the new TV deal, we'll see. They certainly won't get hurt because of a lack of interest in watching the team on TV. Maybe the new deal will include less games televised...
Apr 9, 2012 9:49pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:51 PM
sherm03;1140569 wrote:Don't forget that the FS Ohio contract is due again in a few years. They are expecting more attendance this year, which will lead to more cash flow. And there is talk of Cincinnati getting an All-Star game in the near future which will be a big cash cow.

Castellini didn't get rich by making poor financial decisions. People can question the contract all they want. But I'm pretty sure he knows what he can afford for Votto and Phillips. And unless you are his accountant, you really don't have a clue.
Yea, the fact that the Reds have theirs stars basically wrapped up long term, will really help the TV contract coming up.
Apr 9, 2012 9:51pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:53 PM
I hope BP isn't hurt but why was he turned around looking at the ball down the first base line? Maybe look at the coach in uniform standing near 3rd.

Things you learn when you're 8.
Apr 9, 2012 9:53pm
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Azubuike24;1140580 wrote:The TV contract is the downfall, at least for attendance. The Reds have, per capita, the largest fan viewership for games. They were second overall 2 years ago in ratings (behind the Yankees I believe) and 4th or 5th last year.

Lets face it. Reds fans care. There are more fans than ever. However, they are watching on TV, probably on their 58-inch LED's like myself and not going to the games.

Whether this hurts or helps the new TV deal, we'll see. They certainly won't get hurt because of a lack of interest in watching the team on TV. Maybe the new deal will include less games televised...
I was talking with a buddy of mind this weekend, and we both agreed that we could see the Reds trying to basically get their own channel, similar to what the Indians did with STO. I don't know the figures. But I'm sure Cleveland is getting a lot more money through the STO deal than they were previously.
Apr 9, 2012 9:54pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:55 PM
sherm03;1140569 wrote:Don't forget that the FS Ohio contract is due again in a few years. They are expecting more attendance this year, which will lead to more cash flow. And there is talk of Cincinnati getting an All-Star game in the near future which will be a big cash cow.

Castellini didn't get rich by making poor financial decisions. People can question the contract all they want. But I'm pretty sure he knows what he can afford for Votto and Phillips. And unless you are his accountant, you really don't have a clue.
This.
Apr 9, 2012 9:55pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:57 PM
sherm03;1140589 wrote:I was talking with a buddy of mind this weekend, and we both agreed that we could see the Reds trying to basically get their own channel, similar to what the Indians did with STO. I don't know the figures. But I'm sure Cleveland is getting a lot more money through the STO deal than they were previously.
Something I don't understand about FSO...

Fab4 leaves in Akron. I'm up there every other weekend(basically). When the Cavs aren't on, FSO won't(maybe they aren't "allowed") show Reds games. I mean I get the fact that Akron is basically IN Cleveland, but there are plenty of Reds fans across the state. So instead of Reds games they just show random shows.
Apr 9, 2012 9:57pm
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Apr 9, 2012 9:57 PM
Azubuike24;1140580 wrote: They certainly won't get hurt because of a lack of interest in watching the team on TV. Maybe the new deal will include less games televised...

That's an antiquated view of things IMO. Putting games on TV helps build interest in your product, not hurt it. Living close to Athens, I can only make a handful of games each year. If they start limiting the games on TV, I'll lose interest in the Reds / baseball because I have no clue what is going on.

The "not show games because people aren't coming" view is kind of old school. Football can do it because they only have 8 games to sell. With 81 baseball doesn't have that luxury
Apr 9, 2012 9:57pm
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Apr 9, 2012 10:04 PM
wildcats20;1140600 wrote:Something I don't understand about FSO...

Fab4 leaves in Akron. I'm up there every other weekend(basically). When the Cavs aren't on, FSO won't(maybe they aren't "allowed") show Reds games. I mean I get the fact that Akron is basically IN Cleveland, but there are plenty of Reds fans across the state. So instead of Reds games they just show random shows.
They aren't allowed. My wife's family is in Akron so I was up there this weekend and couldn't watch either.
Apr 9, 2012 10:04pm
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Apr 9, 2012 10:04 PM
wildcats20;1140600 wrote:Something I don't understand about FSO...

Fab4 leaves in Akron. I'm up there every other weekend(basically). When the Cavs aren't on, FSO won't(maybe they aren't "allowed") show Reds games. I mean I get the fact that Akron is basically IN Cleveland, but there are plenty of Reds fans across the state. So instead of Reds games they just show random shows.
It's probably a blackout. I had STO for awhile (paid extra for it on DirecTV), and every single one of the Indians games were blacked out here in Cincinnati.
Apr 9, 2012 10:04pm