sleeper;1130919 wrote:Every school is "one of the top" in the country. Even the worst school on the planet is "one of the top".

Yeah every school is ranked in the top ten by Forbes. I knew you wouldn't be smart enough to get that though.

Gblock;1131072 wrote:i wasnt the one who had the problem w any groups white or black...i simply responded to the question of why these groups exist. i wasnt trying to show support or non support but rather an explanation if he really didnt know why these groups were around. i wouldnt mind seeing them go. but i dont think that time has come yet either if people still want or use them. i just read an article today about the uproar when people found out a couple of the charachters in the hunger games were black...it shows me that some people still are not ready to accept blacks as equals or to not see color. it does work both ways tho.

Any group that exist for the sole purpose of promoting or excluding one race over another should not exist.

White excluding black or black excluding white is racism....period.

rmolin73;1131081 wrote:Yeah every school is ranked in the top ten by Forbes. I knew you wouldn't be smart enough to get that though.

Great. Forbes is just one of the trillions of magazines on the planet. College rankings are bullshit and are built for minds incapable of thinking rationally for themselves.

sleeper;1131098 wrote:Great. Forbes is just one of the trillions of magazines on the planet. College rankings are bull**** and are built for minds incapable of thinking rationally for th
emselves.

This is coming from the guy with delusional tales of graduating from Ohio State and owning a McDonalds franchise. Yeah that's rational.

rmolin73;1131163 wrote:This is coming from the guy with delusional tales of graduating from Ohio State...

Sounds like a couple of other posters (or should I say 'posers') on here as well :rolleyes:

wkfan;1131082 wrote:Any group that exist for the sole purpose of promoting or excluding one race over another should not exist.

White excluding black or black excluding white is racism....period.

+1

rmolin73;1131163 wrote:This is coming from the guy with delusional tales of graduating from Ohio State and owning a McDonalds franchise. Yeah that's rational.

It is because they are both true. It's not like Forbes where the opinions are bought and sold on the open market, its a fact that I did graduate from Ohio State and I do own a piece of a McDonalds franchise. Hate on!

This thread began by Sleeper taking it as given that AA is immoral and unjust and implicitly racist. This may or may not be a true political opinion to some of you, but it doesn’t qualify as a racist one. Even if the injustice of AA isn’t obvious to most of you, the injustice of automatically branding opposition to AA as racist should be.

Come, think for a moment. You may think AA was instituted to redress some wrongs. But college admission, or job acceptance, is a zero-sum game. When an individual is favored precisely because of his skin color or native language, then someone else suffers an injustice by being passed over because of his/her skin color. This is also racism.

You ought not to have to pay for the sins of your ancestors (or the sins of someone else’s ancestors, if yours were not slaveholders). In fact, most “whites” (can I use quotation marks here?) are probably not the descendants of slaveholders. It’s more likely to say that more “whites” are themselves descendants of slaves than of slaveholders. (Remember that in ancient warfare, the losers often became slaves. The Romans routinely enslaved Britons, and the Franks routinely enslaved Saxons. Think about the origin of the word “Slavs”: They were enslaved peoples east of the Elbe. Think of the Christian slaves in Muslim lands throughout the last 1500 years. Think of the Jews in Egypt. Think of the slaves throughout Asian history.) Why are the Blacks, then, or the “Hispanics” (a political term) and others favored with AA?

Or, if you would admit there is no rationale for AA other than the practical one of artificially raising up a minority to some imagined economic parity, then answer this question: At what point will AA be said to have done its job? The premise that AA is temporarily justified for minority high school seniors applying to college is based on the assumption that they didn’t have the advantages of the majority applicants. The premise includes the assumption that if they had the advantages, if they had not been “disadvantaged” (Orwellian), they would be able to compete with majority students without tipping the scales in their favor. So why after four years in college is AA rolled out again, when they apply to grad school? Weren’t they supposed to have had the right stuff for college, except for their disadvantages? Weren’t they supposed to achieve intellectual parity in 4 years? Wasn’t that the point of the original skewing of test scores, the inflation of grades, the ignoring of academic shortcomings?

But alas, AA continues on to the grave: professional schools, jobs, promotions…” Don’t you guys see that this endless system automatically invalidates any claim it might have to being just? It seems that AA is never able to bring its beneficiaries to a place--in 4 years, or 8 years, or 12 years-- where they can compete on a level that doesn’t take into consideration the color of their skin or the language their mother taught them.

When is AA going to stop? When is it going to stop? When will the imagined wrongs finally be redressed? A while back, Sandy O’Connor said 25 years, but the complete randomness of her answer ought to say something about the rationale, i.e., the randomness of the thinking, that went into the program in the first place.

Chew on that, kids. Keep up the good work, Sleeper.

^^^tl;dr

isadore wrote:it is only a little over a generation ago that every scholarship at the major universities in a large section of our county were whites only.

Mano’war wrote:Just think how stupid that comment is for a moment.....since non whites have been attending colleges since at least the 20's on athletic scholarships.

isadore wrote:on really how about at the leading universities, Texas, Texas AM, LSU, University of Arkansas, University of Mississippi, Auburn, University of Alabama, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Tennessee, Kentucky, Viriginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, South Carolina, North Carolina State, Mississippi State, that is a large section of the country.

Mano’war wrote:Leadin universities in what regard?? When i think of great universities none of those come to mind.

isadore wrote: those are leading universities in their states in funding, enrollment and reputation. And we could keep the list going with Duke, Vanderbilt and just about any other major university in the South including Texas.

sleeper wrote:Agreed. Virginia is a decent school, for a backup. The rest I wouldn't go even if they paid me.

sleeper wrote: I did graduate from Ohio State

LOL
University of Florida and Texas AM *58th
OSU 55[SUP]th[/SUP]
Tulane *50th
Texas 45[SUP]th[/SUP]
Georgia Tech *36th
William and Mary *33[SUP]rd[/SUP]
University of North Carolina 29th
University of Virginia and Wake Forest* 25[SUP]th[/SUP]
Emory University * 20th
Rice University* and Vanderbilt* 17[SUP]th[/SUP]
Duke 10[SUP]th[/SUP]*’
None accept OSU had black students in 1920 and the * had none for more than 40 years after that.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/page+3

sleeper;1128277 wrote:This is a thread to discuss strategies for eliminating racism.

My first idea is to stop making race the reason someone gets or doesn't get something. Once we stop referring to people as black/white/cuban/latino/hispanic/puerto rican/zimbabwe/Canada and realize that people are just people we won't have to deal with the idea of racism ever again.

/thread

Thoughts?

You seem so genuine at this point almost believable.

sleeper;1128284 wrote:My second idea is to stop using racism as a weapon by calling people you disagree with racists.

You're still doing good so far.

sleeper;1128285 wrote:Step three: Repeal Affirmative action and the notion that diversity is good. Hire the best people and accept the best people to your school regardless of race.

I happen to agree with this point.

sleeper;1128314 wrote:Right, its better to continue it. Oh noes, a minority didn't get a job, RACISM. Oh noes, a black person was arrested for breaking the law, RACISM. Oh noes, a minority had a 1.1 GPA in high school and didn't get accepted to Harvard, RACISM. Oh noes, someone that was white got shot by a black man, and the black man was arrested, RACISM.

It's a joke, and a fraud of intellectually rationality.

Now your true colors are coming out you must have been busting at the seams.

sleeper;1131098 wrote:Great. Forbes is just one of the trillions of magazines on the planet. College rankings are bull**** and are built for minds incapable of thinking rationally for themselves.

I would much rather take the ranking of an accredited entity than believe anything coming from some bi-polar whack job on the internet.

You clearly want to get rid of racism:rolleyes:

vball10set;1131361 wrote:^^^tl;dr

LOL at sleeper creating another identity to agree with himself.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hunger-games-lenny-kravitz-amandla-stenberg-304685

The response to The Hunger Games casting has everything to do with AA. Or is it just this racism thing that black people complain about?

rmolin73;1131577 wrote:LOL at sleeper creating another identity to agree with himself.

That's called a Mike Clark Special...A Gibby for short lately, but it was a Tully, and an Elliot, and a Davey, and a Ty, and a Hell too many to try to remember.

rmolin73;1131580 wrote:http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hunger-games-lenny-kravitz-amandla-stenberg-304685

The response to The Hunger Games casting has everything to do with AA. Or is it just this racism thing that black people complain about?

Come the Black person is always the first one killed. (at least in horror movies) :rolleyes:

rmolin73;1131577 wrote:LOL at sleeper creating another identity to agree with himself.

That's called a Mike Clark Special...A Gibby for short lately, but it was a Tully, and an Elliot, and a Davey, and a Ty, and a Hell too many to try to remember.

rmolin73;1131580 wrote:http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hunger-games-lenny-kravitz-amandla-stenberg-304685



The response to The Hunger Games casting has everything to do with AA. Or is it just this racism thing that black people complain about?

Come on, everyone know the Black person is always the first one killed. (at least in horror movies) :rolleyes:

Actually I didn't read the article as I'm just making a stereotypical comment for the LULZ !!!

Curly J I'm right there with you lol. If she didn't die first it would have been due to white guilt

rmolin73;1131598 wrote:Curly J I'm right there with you lol. If she didn't die first it would have been due to white guilt

Damn Right. I agree. Wait I'm bald headed and have a goat tee. Gotta grab my white pointy hat. BRB.

rmolin73;1131580 wrote:http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hunger-games-lenny-kravitz-amandla-stenberg-304685

The response to The Hunger Games casting has everything to do with AA. Or is it just this racism thing that black people complain about?

well the charachter they were most upset about RUE...was clearly described in the book as being dark skinned so that was a reading comprehension fail on their part. the part played by lenny kravitz that they were also upset about did not mention his race in the book.

sleeper;1131209 wrote:It is because they are both true. It's not like Forbes where the opinions are bought and sold on the open market, its a fact that I did graduate from Ohio State and I do own a piece of a McDonalds franchise. Hate on!

Just because you order a Happy Meal everyday for lunch, it doesn't mean you own a piece of McDonald's.

Gblock;1131623 wrote:well the charachter they were most upset about RUE...was clearly described in the book as being dark skinned so that was a reading comprehension fail on their part. the part played by lenny kravitz that they were also upset about did not mention his race in the book.

I agree, didn't know Cinna was a Jew

Also, am I the only one tired of the media making big deals about tweets? Twitter is a loaded gun and the world is full of toddlers. Racist tweets? Zomg, that isn't a story it just shows how stupid some people are.

According to the media anything they can sensationalize is a story.

isadore;1131464 wrote:




LOL
University of Florida and Texas AM *58th
OSU 55[SUP]th[/SUP]
Tulane *50th
Texas 45[SUP]th[/SUP]
Georgia Tech *36th
William and Mary *33[SUP]rd[/SUP]
University of North Carolina 29th
University of Virginia and Wake Forest* 25[SUP]th[/SUP]
Emory University * 20th
Rice University* and Vanderbilt* 17[SUP]th[/SUP]
Duke 10[SUP]th[/SUP]*’
None accept OSU had black students in 1920 and the * had none for more than 40 years after that.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/page+3

College rankings are BS. Ohio State doesn't pay money to magazines to get their rating higher, like all the schools above them.

rmolin73;1131571 wrote:You seem so genuine at this point almost believable.



You're still doing good so far.



I happen to agree with this point.



Now your true colors are coming out you must have been busting at the seams.



I would much rather take the ranking of an accredited entity than believe anything coming from some bi-polar whack job on the internet.

You clearly want to get rid of racism:rolleyes:

None of what I said is racist and if you think so, that reflects poorly on you and you alone.

rmolin73;1131577 wrote:LOL at sleeper creating another identity to agree with himself.

That isn't me. I welcome Eurus to the forums however. He/She seems like a person dedicated to intellectual integrity and I can appreciate the difficulty on trying to go against the ignorance this country demonstrates at every turn.