And I would STILL take them over Hines to be a wide receiver, not a mentor.Gblock;1102940 wrote:braylon edwards=FAIL
Lee Evans=FAIL
Again, still better than old ass Hines.Gblock;1102941 wrote:heyward bey=FAIL
Ok let the past insults go . Lets go on from here . All iIm saying is I believe Hines has more to offer for sure . Your opinions of better wideouts are like judging players at the columbine . Dont let your ego cloud your judgment . I think your saying and listing people just because your dislike for a Steeler or former Steeler . Im trying to judge without bias. Throw all my luv for Hines away and I still know that guy would be an asset to many teams . He is like a player coach and if you dont think that amounts to something then I dont think you ever played footballpnhasbeen;1102920 wrote:you called me selfish and self-centered. that isn't 3rd grade, but that is 4th grade insults.
And I played high school and college football. And I highly doubt you "forgot more about football than I'll ever know." I highly doubt that.
Do you want me to list all the receivers he's not better than? That's a pretty long list. This isn't 2004 buddy. And I mentioned the fact that he lost his job because Wallace, Sanders, and Brown are studs. If Hines was still the #1, the Steelers offense would NOT be explosive. Yeah, he's nice to have to block or to go over the middle, but at some point he needs to make huge plays and he can NOT do that ANYMORE. The fact of the matter, the biggest asset he is, is as a mentor. He might as well just become a damn coach.
Thinthickbigred;1102987 wrote:Ok let the past insults go . Lets go on from here . All iIm saying is I believe Hines has more to offer for sure . Your opinions of better wideouts are like judging players at the columbine . Dont let your ego cloud your judgment . I think your saying and listing people just because your dislike for a Steeler or former Steeler . Im trying to judge without bias. Throw all my luv for Hines away and I still know that guy would be an asset to many teams . He is like a player coach and if you dont think that amounts to something then I dont think you ever played football
he had injuries this year to be fairpnhasbeen;1102996 wrote:You keep coming back to the same point: he is an asset as a coach. I feel like they could hire him as a coach cheaper than as a player. Why waste money on a guy that doesn't have it anymore?
I wouldnt pay him alot . I do figure he could possibly be productive as a 3rd down reciever for a few more years . His work ethic and the way younger recievers see him on film are imeasurable. You got to see light here. When those youngs guys see how he smashes a DB down field on a running play ,or goes over the middle with a smile . Just remember the Steelers are loaded . Most teams are not . THINKpnhasbeen;1102996 wrote:You keep coming back to the same point: he is an asset as a coach. I feel like they could hire him as a coach cheaper than as a player. Why waste money on a guy that doesn't have it anymore?
Thinthickbigred;1103008 wrote:I wouldnt pay him alot . I do figure he could possibly be productive as a 3rd down reciever for a few more years . His work ethic and the way younger recievers see him on film are imeasurable. You got to see light here. When those youngs guys see how he smashes a DB down field on a running play ,or goes over the middle with a smile . Just remember the Steelers are loaded . Most teams are not . THINK
You know minimum salary for a vet like him is $925kThinthickbigred;1103008 wrote:I wouldnt pay him alot . I do figure he could possibly be productive as a 3rd down reciever for a few more years . His work ethic and the way younger recievers see him on film are imeasurable. You got to see light here. When those youngs guys see how he smashes a DB down field on a running play ,or goes over the middle with a smile . Just remember the Steelers are loaded . Most teams are not . THINK
I think he is worth it . I really do . He helped out our wide reciever core and he will do the same for another young group .. Hines is one of my favorite all time Steelers because I was a lineman he is right up there with Lambert and Webster . I have been watching this guy for 14 years and he is worth being on a teampnhasbeen;1103013 wrote:You have to pay him at least 950k.
those are all things you can teach on film.
Again, you keep coming back to coaching.
Then have him on as a coach.Thinthickbigred;1103019 wrote:I think he is worth it . I really do . He helped out our wide reciever core and he will do the same for another young group .. Hines is one of my favorite all time Steelers because I was a lineman he is right up there with Lambert and Webster . I have been watching this guy for 14 years and he is worth being on a team
Really? Heyward-Bey is 24, one of the fastest players in the game, and was a 1,000 yard receiver last year who has improved greatly from one season to the next.Gblock;1102941 wrote:heyward bey=FAIL
99 carrer recepts in three years and probably as many drops...6 career td's..charliehustle14;1103071 wrote:Really? Heyward-Bey is 24, one of the fastest players in the game, and was a 1,000 yard receiver last year who has improved greatly from one season to the next.
and he's young and improving. you think the raiders would be smart to sign hines and play him in front of heyward-bey? and stop his growth?Gblock;1103074 wrote:99 carrer recepts in three years and probably as many drops...6 career td's..
Like I said, he has improved greatly from one season to the next. He doesn't even look like the same guy anymore. He came into the league looking like a track guy who would occasionally catch a football. Now he is a legit WR and was their #1 last year. He'll keep improving and has huge upside. It's laughable to hear someone say they'd take Ward over DHB at this point in Ward's career.Gblock;1103074 wrote:99 carrer recepts in three years and probably as many drops...6 career td's..
i never said that....i was merely pointing out it was laughable to put any of those three guys ahead of ANYONE...except maybe each other.charliehustle14;1103082 wrote:Like I said, he has improved greatly from one season to the next. He doesn't even look like the same guy anymore. He came into the league looking like a track guy who would occasionally catch a football. Now he is a legit WR and was their #1 last year. He'll keep improving and has huge upside. It's laughable to hear someone say they'd take Ward over DHB at this point in Ward's career.
again DHB > HinesGblock;1103084 wrote:i never said that....i was merely pointing out it was laughable to put any of those three guys ahead of ANYONE...except maybe each other.
Nice reading comprehension, bud. The dude was naming WR's he'd take over HINES WARD.Gblock;1103084 wrote:i never said that....i was merely pointing out it was laughable to put any of those three guys ahead of ANYONE...except maybe each other.
charliehustle14;1103088 wrote:Nice reading comprehension, bud. The dude was naming WR's he'd take over HINES WARD.
Haha my bad, I didn't feel like going back to the previous page and seeing who compiled that list.pnhasbeen;1103093 wrote:I have a name, jerk face.
Seriously? I'm a Raiders fan. I watch every game of theirs. I was so opposed to the DHB pick as I really wanted Maclin (and would still like to have Maclin instead of DHB, of course). That being said, Heyward-Bey came into the league with a drop and route running problem, yes. But his route running is pretty damn good now. The drops still occur every now and then, but not nearly as much as they used to. The 2011 season was his lowest in drops. And he was targeted 8 times per game in 2011, so his numbers definitely weren't a result of a heavy volume of passes coming to him. And let's not forget the WR corp for Oakland was plagued with injuries (Ford, Moore, Murphy, Schillens) so DHB was often doubled. You're just throwing shit against a wall hoping it sticks. He's turned into a fine young WR.Gblock;1103092 wrote:DHB=Cant catch you can have him...yea he got 1000 yards cause they threw 50+ times a game
Braylon= Cant catch either...is he even in the league
hines was hurt last year...i would put his 3 year total up against either of those guys. if you are talking about for the future sure DHB is 24 w more upside than hines but he cant do anything better than hines but run fast. If you watched any of their games last year half the time DHB ran the wrong route and then fell down...
that being said my original post in this thread stated i doubt there would be much of a market for hines next year outside of people in the division trying to piss the steelers off or get some intel.
I have the ticket and 3 big screens in my living room my roomate is a raiders fan so i watched him suffer through this season after a promising start....he fell down a lot and had a TON of drops....but anyway you cant put a guy like that with his stats above anyone RIGHT NOW...6 td's in 3 years??...your basing your opinion on what you hope he can do. which i think he will improve and be a good reciever but he's not there yet.charliehustle14;1103111 wrote:Seriously? I'm a Raiders fan. I watch every game of theirs. I was so opposed to the DHB pick as I really wanted Maclin (and would still like to have Maclin instead of DHB, of course). That being said, Heyward-Bey came into the league with a drop and route running problem, yes. But his route running is pretty damn good now. The drops still occur every now and then, but not nearly as much as they used to. The 2011 season was his lowest in drops. And he was targeted 8 times per game in 2011, so his numbers definitely weren't a result of a heavy volume of passes coming to him. And let's not forget the WR corp for Oakland was plagued with injuries (Ford, Moore, Murphy, Schillens) so DHB was often doubled. You're just throwing **** against a wall hoping it sticks. He's turned into a fine young WR.
Maybe you need to add a 4th big screen? He had 6 drops lol And he had a fast start to the year, got hurt and sat out two weeks, came back slow, and finished the year very strong. Do I wish he'd catch more TD's? I do. But keep in mind he's had these QB's throwing to him: Russell, Gradkowski, Boller, Campbell, and Palmer. And he also plays on a team who runs the hell out of the ball, especially down in the redzone. He is not an elite WR, but as a Raider fan, he's been a pleasant surprise and I know about every team in the league would love to have a guy of his skill set.Gblock;1103119 wrote:I have the ticket and 3 big screens in my living room my roomate is a raiders fan so i watched him suffer through this season after a promising start....he fell down a lot and had a TON of drops....but anyway you cant put a guy like that with his stats above anyone RIGHT NOW...6 td's in 3 years??...your basing your opinion on what you hope he can do. which i think he will improve and be a good reciever but he's not there yet.