Skyhook79;1089044 wrote:Step it up...you used to be a fair Mod.
Skyhook79;1089039 wrote:See that is the thing. Hypocritecats20 wouldn't let there be ANY debate on it. If he would have let it be debated out especially after last years discussion and the agreement from those involved to wait until next season to discuss it there wouldn't have been any problems. But no when this year came he banned it from being talked about.
That is called the Skyhook EffectSkyhook79;1088937 wrote:I'm a fucking idiot, and it's sad because I'm so old that I don't have time to make my life not suck ass
Attendance is down because the product on the floor is not as good as years' past. It's pretty simple to see.Tiernan;1089081 wrote:I'm the last one to support Lotzy on anything but he's absolutely correct in this case...attendance IS down and there is no way to soft sell these facts... Its a second rate team in a second rate professional league in a third rate city.
SportsAndLady;1089086 wrote:That is called the Skyhook Affect
Sucks to be you
When is the last time the Browns made the Playoffs and when was the last time they didn't sell out? Cavs fans have always been bandwagon/fair weather fans.bo shemmy3337;1089187 wrote:Its not lebron that sold the tickets. it is the W to L ratio. Cleavland fans are very good when it comes to supporting a team. They don't need a star player to fill the seats. Winning teams do this. If lebron averaged 40 points a night and they only won 25 games a year, sell outs would not have come often either. Playoff teams fill seats and looser"s don't. It has been that way for a long time.
I was speaking about basketball. Football only has 8 games and is on Sunday most of the time. If the Cavs had 8 home games a year and were on the one day where most people don't work then yes a bad team would sell out.Skyhook79;1089191 wrote:When is the last time the Browns made the Playoffs and when was the last time they didn't sell out? Cavs fans have always been bandwagon/fair weather fans.
Trailblazers sold out almost every game even when they sucked.bo shemmy3337;1089194 wrote:I was speaking about basketball. Football only has 8 games and is on Sunday most of the time. If the Cavs had 8 home games a year and were on the one day where most people don't work then yes a bad team would sell out.
There is always going to be exceptions but most the time winning teams sell tickets and loosing teams do not. It has nothing to do with being a fair weather fan, no one wants to pay 80 bucks a ticket to see a bad team live when you can watch the game at home for free.Skyhook79;1089196 wrote:Trailblazers sold out almost every game even when they sucked.
LeBron had a ton to do with it. Tickets sold as soon as he was drafted, when the team still basically sucked.bo shemmy3337;1089187 wrote:Its not lebron that sold the tickets. it is the W to L ratio.
I said even when they sucked which would be non Playoff years.bo shemmy3337;1089199 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/year/2011
Portland was above 500 last year and made the playoffs BTW so that would actually prove my point. unless your talking years past then I really don't care to look up numbers all night lol
Also the Pistons were number one in attendance in 2006. they had many good players but no super star like lebron. Now still no superstar and they are toward the bottom of the list. Because they are not winning anymore.
Mulva;1089201 wrote:LeBron had a ton to do with it. Tickets sold as soon as he was drafted, when the team still basically sucked.
Cleveland isn't a basketball city. It's a football city, and it was a LeBron city.
I saw a couple of weeks ago that the Cavs are (or were) 5th in the NBA in local TV ratings though. And capacity is at 76.7% right now, so it's not like the Q is a ghost town.
They knew that about Kyrie too.bo shemmy3337;1089209 wrote:Because they knew He would make the Team better.
Tickets went up almost 7,000 per game when LeBron was drafted. The team won 35 games. Most people were going to the games to watch him, not to watch the Cavs. The fact that they would have watched a winning team doesn't mean that's what they were doing at the time.Had they traded him for 3 good players and won 55 games a year the seats would have looked the same.
hoops23;1089230 wrote:Whoa, attendance is down?
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Wondering the same thing. People are acting like this is the first time something like this has happened
I don't think so. There are no players coming out that can generate that much excitement to put more butts in the seats. They are going to have to sign a top tier FA to do that.thedynasty1998;1089349 wrote:Obviously attendance was going to drop. For those who said it wouldn't, deep down they knew it would. Cleveland isn't a rich city, and the product isn't great. Attendance will rebound next year with the addition of more young and talented players, but it will never recover to the levels of the Lebron era. He was the exception to the rule.
+1. Can't remember who they were but several on here said that there was no way that Cav's attendance would slide, despite Gilbert forcing folks to buy 2 years of season tickets during Lebrick's last year.karen lotz;1089006 wrote:It shouldn't be surprising, but there are a few posters on here that would be surprised based on conversations last year.
Possibly. But this will be a loaded draft. The Cavs could draft two young talented players and put them along Irving and Thompson and you have some appeal.Skyhook79;1089356 wrote:I don't think so. There are no players coming out that can generate that much excitement to put more butts in the seats. They are going to have to sign a top tier FA to do that.
Then they should have just STFU instead of looking stupid like they do now.thedynasty1998;1089349 wrote:Obviously attendance was going to drop. For those who said it wouldn't, deep down they knew it would. Cleveland isn't a rich city, and the product isn't great. Attendance will rebound next year with the addition of more young and talented players, but it will never recover to the levels of the Lebron era. He was the exception to the rule.