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Nov 20, 2012 2:14 PM
Sport, do you not agree this was done purely for money?
Nov 20, 2012 9:14am
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Nov 20, 2012 2:24 PM
WebFire;1325737 wrote:Sport, do you not agree this was done purely for money?
No I definitely agree with that. My point is the two they added, for money, also happen to be a decent add from a competitive standpoint.
Nov 20, 2012 9:24am
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Nov 20, 2012 2:30 PM
Agree to disagree then.
Nov 20, 2012 9:30am
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Nov 20, 2012 3:06 PM
SportsAndLady;1325744 wrote:No I definitely agree with that. My point is the two they added, for money, also happen to be a decent add from a competitive standpoint.
I agree, and IMO, this will bear itself out over the next decade.
Nov 20, 2012 10:06am
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Nov 20, 2012 3:06 PM
This is purely a money grab; nothing else. The B1G has always been focused 100% on improving academics and unfortunately money is one of the easiest ways to accomplish this(more money = more talented teachers = more earth shattering research, etc.).
Nov 20, 2012 10:06am
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Nov 20, 2012 3:27 PM
I don't mind the move at all, especially if they plan on adding 2 more teams. Edsall hasn't done a bad job with Maryland this year considering the terrible QB situation, and Rutgers is 9-1, albeit in the Big East. Both can start using the B1G as a recruiting tool now, two years before they join the conference. I mean, it's not ideal by any means, but it's not terrible either.
Nov 20, 2012 10:27am
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Nov 20, 2012 3:29 PM
Maryland will likely have the best player in the conference when they start. Diggs is a beast.
Nov 20, 2012 10:29am
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Nov 20, 2012 4:41 PM
se-alum;1325816 wrote:Maryland will likely have the best player in the conference when they start. Diggs is a beast.
I think all of the athletes OSU will have next year (Miller, Marshall, Hall, Elliot, Philly Brown, Devin Smith) and they trump Diggs. And ALso, OSU has a guy from MD coming in next year...a little under the radar, but ATH Taivon Jacobs could be a Teddy Ginn type. He runs a 4.35, so he could give Diggs a run for his money.
Nov 20, 2012 11:41am
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Nov 20, 2012 4:42 PM
se-alum;1325816 wrote:Maryland will likely have the best player in the conference when they start. Diggs is a beast.
It's called Braxton Miller.
Nov 20, 2012 11:42am
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Nov 20, 2012 4:55 PM
zach24oz;1325872 wrote:I think all of the athletes OSU will have next year (Miller, Marshall, Hall, Elliot, Philly Brown, Devin Smith) and they trump Diggs. And ALso, OSU has a guy from MD coming in next year...a little under the radar, but ATH Taivon Jacobs could be a Teddy Ginn type. He runs a 4.35, so he could give Diggs a run for his money.
Hall and Brown will be gone, Diggs is better right now than Devin Smith, we have no idea how Marshall and Elliott will do in college. Miller could very well be better.
Nov 20, 2012 11:55am
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Nov 20, 2012 5:10 PM
zach24oz;1325872 wrote:I think all of the athletes OSU will have next year (Miller, Marshall, Hall, Elliot, Philly Brown, Devin Smith) and they trump Diggs. And ALso, OSU has a guy from MD coming in next year...a little under the radar, but ATH Taivon Jacobs could be a Teddy Ginn type. He runs a 4.35, so he could give Diggs a run for his money.
Just watch Diggs. Kid is a stud as just a freshman. I'd say, other than Lee and Woods, best WR in the country.
Nov 20, 2012 12:10pm
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Nov 20, 2012 5:41 PM
Neat. More nappy headed hoes are being added to the B10.
Nov 20, 2012 12:41pm
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Nov 20, 2012 6:31 PM
Great ESPN article today regarding Maryland. The intro is a straight bitch slap across Maryland's face and -- considering how angered I am by a charter member leaving the ACC without a second thought -- pretty funny:
ESPN wrote:Maryland won’t go bowling for a second straight season, it has never won the ACC's Atlantic Division, and it holds an overall record of 4-44-1 against the Big Ten.
And the last line:
ESPN wrote:On the surface, it looks like the Terps are getting in over their heads.
I understand the motives behind the move, but I think the school is sick in the head at best if it actually thinks it's going to compete against Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State and Wisconsin in football, not to mention the rest of the Big Ten which is generally more competitive than the ACC's middle tier programs. Maryland coach Randy Edsall said that one of the things he's most looking forward to is his kids getting a chance to go to the Rose Bowl. They can go, but they will look like utter idiots if they wear their football helmets because they will be sitting in the bleachers. Welcome to pure mediocrity, Marlyand, in both football and basketball (at least until things are turned around in the hoops program, which won't be anytime soon, IMO.)

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/48518/randy-edsall-looking-forward-to-big-ten
Nov 20, 2012 1:31pm
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Nov 20, 2012 7:56 PM
reclegend22;1325988 wrote:Great ESPN article today regarding Maryland. The intro is a straight bitch slap across Maryland's face and -- considering how angered I am by a charter member leaving the ACC without a second thought -- pretty funny:



And the last line:



I understand the motives behind the move, but I think the school is sick in the head at best if it actually thinks it's going to compete against Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State and Wisconsin in football, not to mention the rest of the Big Ten which is generally more competitive than the ACC's middle tier programs. Maryland coach Randy Edsall said that one of the things he's most looking forward to is his kids getting a chance to go to the Rose Bowl. They can go, but they will look like utter idiots if they wear their football helmets because they will be sitting in the bleachers. Welcome to pure mediocrity, Marlyand, in both football and basketball (at least until things are turned around in the hoops program, which won't be anytime soon, IMO.)

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/48518/randy-edsall-looking-forward-to-big-ten
I would rather be mediocre in the B1G and get paid for it, rather than being mediocre in the ACC and having to cut sports programs.
Nov 20, 2012 2:56pm
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Nov 20, 2012 8:10 PM
se-alum;1326044 wrote:I would rather be mediocre in the B1G and get paid for it, rather than being mediocre in the ACC and having to cut sports programs.
And the bball team is not that far off. They should be a darkhorse in the ACC. Len is pretty good. Team is young, but talented.

But, that is all besides the point.
Football is what drives the money. The ACC in football is just blah, and will only get worse not better.

And the football is not as bad as people think. They held WVU in check for most of the game (allowed 31 points, note OU allowed 49). The defense is not bad. And it is hard to compete when you have 3 QBs get injured, and the staring RB is also out for the year.

Diggs is a stud, the TEs are solid, the QB, when healthy are not bad at all.
The team can realistically go 7-5, 8-4 next year and compete for the ACC title.
They were a win away from the ACC title game 2 years ago in fact.
Nov 20, 2012 3:10pm
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Nov 20, 2012 8:24 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1326055 wrote:And the bball team is not that far off. They should be a darkhorse in the ACC. Len is pretty good. Team is young, but talented.

But, that is all besides the point.
Football is what drives the money. The ACC in football is just blah, and will only get worse not better.

And the football is not as bad as people think. They held WVU in check for most of the game (allowed 31 points, note OU allowed 49). The defense is not bad. And it is hard to compete when you have 3 QBs get injured, and the staring RB is also out for the year.

Diggs is a stud, the TEs are solid, the QB, when healthy are not bad at all.
The team can realistically go 7-5, 8-4 next year and compete for the ACC title.
They were a win away from the ACC title game 2 years ago in fact.
You have to look at more than just the current season. Maryland has only finished a season ranked in the top 25 eight times in the last 35 years. Rutgers...1.
Nov 20, 2012 3:24pm
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Nov 20, 2012 8:28 PM
WebFire;1326062 wrote:You have to look at more than just the current season. Maryland has only finished a season ranked in the top 25 eight times in the last 35 years. Rutgers...1.
You have to think the B1G affiliation can only help their recruiting though.
Nov 20, 2012 3:28pm
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Nov 20, 2012 8:34 PM
Yeah, I said I understand the motives behind Maryland's move (to stop the athletic department's profuse financial bleeding and join a better football league). However, Maryland football will never win the Big Ten, division title or otherwise, and certainly never play in the Rose Bowl. They will be mediocre at best.

And Alex Len is definitely a stud. His coming out party may have been earlier this month against Kentucky, but the Ukranian giant showed up on the radar last season against North Carolina when he scored 12 points, grabbed 10 rebounds and swatted 2 balls against North Carolina's NBA stacked front-line. Aside from Len, though, Maryland has a serious scoring issue. They're pretty balanced, with about four guys hovering around nine points per game, but nobody who can really take a game over on the perimeter. I think a lack of great guard play will keep them out of the tournament. Had Terrell Stoglin come back and had he not been a complete headcase, Maryland would be a really, really good team this year.

I'd be happy to be wrong this year, however, as a decent Maryland team only helps the ACC's strength and gives Duke better competition to go head to head against pre-tourney.
Nov 20, 2012 3:34pm
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Nov 20, 2012 8:42 PM
se-alum;1326063 wrote:You have to think the B1G affiliation can only help their recruiting though.
To what extent though? It doesn't allow Minnesota or Indiana to win B1G titles or even get close. Why will these schools be different?

I realize you can't have every school be a big time football school. But I would have liked them aim a little higher on the competition side.
Nov 20, 2012 3:42pm
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Nov 20, 2012 8:48 PM
WebFire;1326071 wrote:To what extent though? It doesn't allow Minnesota or Indiana to win B1G titles or even get close. Why will these schools be different?

I realize you can't have every school be a big time football school. But I would have liked them aim a little higher on the competition side.
I think there's more talent with less competition for that talent over there. The state of Indiana isn't talent rich and they have to compete with OSU, ND, and UM for recruits. Minnesota is a hockey state that is mostly void of football talent. Nobody knows how it will go for sure, but I can see those teams being better.
Nov 20, 2012 3:48pm
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Nov 20, 2012 8:51 PM
WebFire;1326071 wrote:To what extent though? It doesn't allow Minnesota or Indiana to win B1G titles or even get close. Why will these schools be different?
I would guess one of the reasons they could be different would the availability of local talent. From 2005-2012, 25 NFL picks came from high schools in Maryland, 27 from New Jersey. Contrast to 10 from Minnesota and 18 from Indiana. The 2013 Rivals 250 rankings have 7 players from NJ, 7 players from MD, 6 from IN, 1 from MN. 2012 rankings, 5 from NJ, 6 from MD, 3 from IN, 0 from MN.
Nov 20, 2012 3:51pm
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Nov 20, 2012 9:21 PM
So you think kids from Maryland would rather get their ass kicked by B1G teams than ACC teams? If the Maryland kids wanted to go to Maryland, they already would be.
Nov 20, 2012 4:21pm