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Nov 20, 2012 4:23 PM
WebFire;1326101 wrote:So you think kids from Maryland would rather get their ass kicked by B1G teams than ACC teams? If the Maryland kids wanted to go to Maryland, they already would be.
I didn't say they would, just that their opportunity - given better coaching, facilities, etc. - is greater than Minnesota and Indiana which is why it's not outside the realm of possibility that it could​ happen. Get the right coach, better facilities (which will be aided by sitting on top of mountains of cash) and the possibility for success is much greater somewhere like Rutgers or Maryland than it is in Minnesota or Indiana.
Nov 20, 2012 4:23pm
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Nov 20, 2012 4:25 PM
WebFire;1326101 wrote:So you think kids from Maryland would rather get their ass kicked by B1G teams than ACC teams? If the Maryland kids wanted to go to Maryland, they already would be.

Agreed. But having money to put into your program and facilities will help. Plus the acc rarely has national TV games. If Maryland is playing osu, Michigan, or penn state, it's likely gonna be on abc or espn. Better then having to either live in Maryland or have espn gameplan to see them play. Or they'll be on bgtennetwork. And pretty much everyone has that now. I have it in Hawaii...
Nov 20, 2012 4:25pm
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Nov 20, 2012 4:26 PM
But you can't not get one of the top 10 players in your home state and hope to compete in any league...
Nov 20, 2012 4:26pm
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Nov 20, 2012 4:41 PM
Midstate01;1326106 wrote:Agreed. But having money to put into your program and facilities will help. Plus the acc rarely has national TV games. If Maryland is playing osu, Michigan, or penn state, it's likely gonna be on abc or espn. Better then having to either live in Maryland or have espn gameplan to see them play. Or they'll be on bgtennetwork. And pretty much everyone has that now. I have it in Hawaii...
I understand the premise, but having good facilities doesn't win you football games nor does it get you on TV. I just don't think the recruiting will increase to the point of consistent success. You point out being on ABC or ESPN, but how often is OSU/Indiana or Michigan/Minnesota not played on BTN?

I could be totally wrong. Hell, I hope I am wrong. But right now it just seems like a money grab with increase in competition very unlikely.

JMO.
Nov 20, 2012 4:41pm
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Nov 20, 2012 4:48 PM
WebFire;1326113 wrote:I understand the premise, but having good facilities doesn't win you football games nor does it get you on TV. I just don't think the recruiting will increase to the point of consistent success. You point out being on ABC or ESPN, but how often is OSU/Indiana or Michigan/Minnesota not played on BTN?

I could be totally wrong. Hell, I hope I am wrong. But right now it just seems like a money grab with increase in competition very unlikely.

JMO.

It's played on bigten network which almost every household in America has access too.
But even then, Maryland is a bigger draw then iu and minny right now, and they're awful right now. They're the only major school in the state.

And facilities absolutely helps you win games because it helps you win in recruiting. You can't win without better players. Ask Oregon, no kid wants to live in Oregon. But they show them the facilities and things change.
And yes Oregon wins, but they weren't just a short time ago. They started putting money into the facilities and mix that with a new coach and hip style of play, and boom...
Nov 20, 2012 4:48pm
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Nov 20, 2012 4:48 PM
WebFire;1326101 wrote:So you think kids from Maryland would rather get their ass kicked by B1G teams than ACC teams? If the Maryland kids wanted to go to Maryland, they already would be.
Can't remember which source I read this in or I'd link it but the premise was that Penn St was king of recruiting MD, NJ and Northern VA. That Larry Johnson Sr. could sit in most living rooms and offer a much more appealing option of playing football to recruits by being in the Big Ten vs. the Big East/ACC teams in the same states.

Now that the kids have an option to stay home and play for the state school it may benefit those schools as well as provide a detriment to Penn State's pipeline.
Nov 20, 2012 4:48pm
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Nov 20, 2012 4:57 PM
Midstate01;1326120 wrote:It's played on bigten network which almost every household in America has access too.
But even then, Maryland is a bigger draw then iu and minny right now, and they're awful right now. They're the only major school in the state.

And facilities absolutely helps you win games because it helps you win in recruiting. You can't win without better players. Ask Oregon, no kid wants to live in Oregon. But they show them the facilities and things change.
And yes Oregon wins, but they weren't just a short time ago. They started putting money into the facilities and mix that with a new coach and hip style of play, and boom...
Minnesota has spent millions in facility upgrades. They still suck.

I think decent to good programs can benefit a lot from upgraded facilities. Great example is Michigan's bball program. But they are already Michigan. I don't know that the basement teams can improve as much as people want to think.
Nov 20, 2012 4:57pm
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Nov 20, 2012 4:57 PM
mucalum49;1326122 wrote:Can't remember which source I read this in or I'd link it but the premise was that Penn St was king of recruiting MD, NJ and Northern VA. That Larry Johnson Sr. could sit in most living rooms and offer a much more appealing option of playing football to recruits by being in the Big Ten vs. the Big East/ACC teams in the same states.

Now that the kids have an option to stay home and play for the state school it may benefit those schools as well as provide a detriment to Penn State's pipeline.
We shall see.
Nov 20, 2012 4:57pm
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Nov 20, 2012 5:21 PM
At least we still have hockey :(



There ... now I feel marginally better after having to thrash my team and its future fortunes :)
Nov 20, 2012 5:21pm
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Nov 20, 2012 7:07 PM
Now we have rumors of the big Ten to be in talks with North Carolina and Texas. A couple hurdles to jump over but there's talks going on with all parties involved...

Major hurdles are the long horn network, contiguous state big Ten bylaw....

Stay tuned....
Nov 20, 2012 7:07pm
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Nov 20, 2012 7:09 PM
I don't see Texas ever giving up the network. There's some other names out there too. Virginia, VTech...can't think of the others right now.
Nov 20, 2012 7:09pm
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Nov 20, 2012 7:20 PM
killer_ewok;1326112 wrote:http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8654190/on-urban-meyer-ohio-state-wisconsin-big-ten-expanding-include-maryland-rutgers

Saw this on Grantland today. Don't completely agree or disagree but found it to be an interesting read.
Terrible article.

And in case you missed it, all of this was hammered home by the high-profile oopsy-daisies of standard-bearing Ohio State in BCS bowl games throughout the '00s.


OSU was 5-3 in BCS games with a national title in the 00's.

Meanwhile, maybe you've noticed that Big Ten games have gotten slower and slower, and less and less compelling. Do you know the last Big Ten quarterback to be chosen in the first round of the NFL draft? It was Kerry Collins, in 1995. The two best pros the Big Ten has produced in recent years, Drew Brees and Tom Brady, came from Texas and California, respectively


Okay, so two of the best QB's to ever play the game went to Big 10 schools, but it doesn't count because they're from somewhere else(as if the Big X will be unable to recruit other areas of the country in the future lol)

In ways that matter to college administrators, Delany is a genius: The Big Ten Network is a money-making machine, and the conference actually made more money last year than even the SEC.


So, just to be clear.....in regards to Academic integrity and money-making, the Big X is doing a fantastic job. But he wants them to compromise the funding and integrity of the ACTUAL universities, so he can see "better football."

With perspective like that, not surprised he went to PSU.

"It hurts sometimes when you think about it," Ohio State defensive back Bradley Roby told me. "We believe we're one of the best teams in the country, and we can't prove it."
At least, not now. Not in this Big Ten.


That's not what Roby was referring to. Is he seriously this dense, or just framing the quote to fit his articles point?
Nov 20, 2012 7:20pm
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Nov 20, 2012 7:43 PM
WebFire;1326156 wrote:I don't see Texas ever giving up the network. There's some other names out there too. Virginia, VTech...can't think of the others right now.
UNC is the constant. Georgia Tech and UVA are the 2 biggest names mentioned to go along wth it. I think Texas and VT are the longshots.

Theory is that Delany is poaching the ACC as a middle finger to Notre Dame, who he feels gave him the middle finger.
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Nov 20, 2012 8:15 PM
LJ;1326173 wrote:UNC is the constant. Georgia Tech and UVA are the 2 biggest names mentioned to go along wth it. I think Texas and VT are the longshots.

Theory is that Delany is poaching the ACC as a middle finger to Notre Dame, who he feels gave him the middle finger.
Yeah, GT is the other one I'm seeing mentioned a lot.
Nov 20, 2012 8:15pm
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Nov 20, 2012 8:27 PM
LJ;1326173 wrote:Theory is that Delany is poaching the ACC as a middle finger to Notre Dame, who he feels gave him the middle finger.
If true, that's foolish. Decisions such as these should not be made for the purpose of revenge. I'd like to think the goal is to better the conference and it's members, not to give a F.U. to another school.
Nov 20, 2012 8:27pm
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Nov 20, 2012 9:33 PM
killer_ewok;1326189 wrote:If true, that's foolish. Decisions such as these should not be made for the purpose of revenge. I'd like to think the goal is to better the conference and it's members, not to give a F.U. to another school.
I agree that it would be foolish if that were the case. It's a nice "story" for fans. But I highly doubt that was the reason for the move. If it was, then Delaney would be out.
Nov 20, 2012 9:33pm
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Nov 20, 2012 9:42 PM
Fly4Fun;1326245 wrote:I agree that it would be foolish if that were the case. It's a nice "story" for fans. But I highly doubt that was the reason for the move. If it was, then Delaney would be out.

Agreed.
Nov 20, 2012 9:42pm
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Nov 20, 2012 9:49 PM
I honestly don't think Carolina would ever leave the ACC. Crazier things have happened, but I just don't see it.
Nov 20, 2012 9:49pm
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Nov 20, 2012 9:53 PM
killer_ewok;1326189 wrote:If true, that's foolish. Decisions such as these should not be made for the purpose of revenge. I'd like to think the goal is to better the conference and it's members, not to give a F.U. to another school.
Fly4Fun;1326245 wrote:I agree that it would be foolish if that were the case. It's a nice "story" for fans. But I highly doubt that was the reason for the move. If it was, then Delaney would be out.
killer_ewok;1326249 wrote:Agreed.
The goal IS to better the conference. That doesn't mean he isnt trying to better the conference, while destroying another that will ultimately hurt a school who has told him to piss off for years. If the B1G were to get GT/UVA and UNC, most likely the SEC would come in and take FSU and Clemson. That leaves the conference scrambling to find schools. They do what, poach the remainder of the Big East? Leaving ND where they were to begin with.
Nov 20, 2012 9:53pm
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LJ;1326260 wrote:The goal IS to better the conference. That doesn't mean he isnt trying to better the conference, while destroying another that will ultimately hurt a school who has told him to piss off for years. If the B1G were to get GT/UVA and UNC, most likely the SEC would come in and take FSU and Clemson. That leaves the conference scrambling to find schools. They do what, poach the remainder of the Big East? Leaving ND where they were to begin with.

If the actual goal is to better the conference then you don't allow the other stuff to cloud your judgement. If it's anything other than coincidence....he's making foolish, ill-advised decisions....and as fly said....he'd be out.
Nov 20, 2012 9:59pm
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Nov 20, 2012 10:07 PM
killer_ewok;1326269 wrote:If the actual goal is to better the conference then you don't allow the other stuff to cloud your judgement. If it's anything other than coincidence....he's making foolish, ill-advised decisions....and as fly said....he'd be out.
Doubtful. The BTN sealed his tenure on being the commish as long as he wants. It's now estimated that by 2017, the addition of D.C and NYC tv markets, that each school could earn $43 million per year from the conference. He isn't going anywhere as long as the revenue keeps flowing.
Nov 20, 2012 10:07pm
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LJ;1326286 wrote:Doubtful. The BTN sealed his tenure on being the commish as long as he wants. It's now estimated that by 2017, the addition of D.C and NYC tv markets, that each school could earn $43 million per year from the conference. He isn't going anywhere as long as the revenue keeps flowing.

Okay, besides that do you have a rebuttal to anything else in that post?
Nov 20, 2012 10:40pm
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Nov 20, 2012 10:48 PM
wildcats20;1326253 wrote:I honestly don't think Carolina would ever leave the ACC. Crazier things have happened, but I just don't see it.
Agreed. Duke and North Carolina are not leaving the ACC as long as it's a conference and as long as the Carolina schools are still all in it. I'd bet my life on that.
Nov 20, 2012 10:48pm
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Nov 20, 2012 10:51 PM
killer_ewok;1326310 wrote:Okay, besides that do you have a rebuttal to anything else in that post?

How does that not rebut that he can basically do as he pleases as long as it is not hurting the conference? He is adding monetary value while taking out a revenue competitor.
Nov 20, 2012 10:51pm