reclegend22;1326315 wrote:Agreed. Duke and North Carolina are not leaving the ACC as long as it's a conference and as long as the Carolina schools are still all in it. I'd bet my life on that.

IF, and that is a big if, one of them leaves, I think it will be a package deal lol.

reclegend22;1326315 wrote:Agreed. Duke and North Carolina are not leaving the ACC as long as it's a conference and as long as the Carolina schools are still all in it. I'd bet my life on that.

I agree, though Coach K let it be known that he was concerned about the ACC.

WebFire;1326156 wrote:I don't see Texas ever giving up the network. There's some other names out there too. Virginia, VTech...can't think of the others right now.

As long as the Big 12 just lets Texas do whatever the hell they want, they won't leave.

So apparently Delaney says that TV part of the equation is an overrated factor. Say what?

WebFire;1326334 wrote:So apparently Delaney says that TV part of the equation is an overrated factor. Say what?

Juste trying to talk up the athletics of the new schools

LJ;1326316 wrote:How does that not rebut that he can basically do as he pleases as long as it is not hurting the conference? He is adding monetary value while taking out a revenue competitor.

It doesn't rebut my point that he is a fool if getting some sort of revenge on ND is a motivating factor in his decisions. If he is making decisions based on the best interest of the conference and it's members then he is not worried about trying to stick it to some other school. All you said was he wouldn't be out because it was making the B1G some money. If a conference commissioner is letting his personal distaste for another school leak into his decision-making then he is a fool.

WebFire;1326323 wrote:I agree, though Coach K let it be known that he was concerned about the ACC.

Yeah, I heard the comments K made yesterday. But that's partly my point. Duke and North Carolina, especially while K and Roy are at the virtual helms of those schools, are never leaving the ACC. There is just too much history there. I'm not saying K and Roy are bigger than the institutions they represent, which they are (lol ... well, not really, but they are the faces of them), but I don't think they'd allow it without an extraordinary fight. These two guys are beyond powerful.

reclegend22;1326340 wrote:Yeah, I heard the comments K made yesterday. But that's partly my point. Duke and North Carolina, especially while K and Roy are at the virtual helms of those schools, are never leaving the ACC. There is just too much history there. I'm not saying K and Roy are bigger than the institutions they represent, which they are (lol ... well, not really, but they are the faces of them), but I don't think they'd allow it without an extraordinary fight. These two guys are beyond powerful.

No they aren't. If UNC wants to make the move, they don't give a damn about Roy.

killer_ewok;1326338 wrote:It doesn't rebut my point that he is a fool if getting some sort of revenge on ND is a motivating factor in his decisions. If he is making decisions based on the best interest of the conference and it's members then he is not worried about trying to stick it to some other school. All you said was he wouldn't be out because it was making the B1G some money. If a conference commissioner is letting his personal distaste for another school leak into his decision-making then he is a fool.

A fool that is going to earn every school 43 million per year off of tv revenue. Taking out a competitor isn't being a fool, its good business.

Delany is a former UNC captain. If he thinks he can get UNC, its more than just wishful thinking. I don't think that is a school that would be the strongest rumor of there wasnt some truth to it. He probably wants his alma mater.

LJ;1326343 wrote:A fool that is going to earn every school 43 million per year off of tv revenue. Taking out a competitor isn't being a fool, its good business.

So Delany getting some ACC schools to defect to the B1G is "taking out" ND? I don't see that happening. And I stand by my statement that if that plays a part in his decisions....that's foolish.

If things got that bad in the ACC....ND could buy out of their deal with them and I'm sure there would be another conference ready to deal with ND. You're talking about Delany making money and that will keep him where he's at....let's be honest, regardless about how you feel about Notre Dame...you cannot deny that they are a big money maker and any conference would be thrilled to have them. That's not arrogance, that's the truth. They'll be fine regardless of what happens between the B1G and ACC.

Anyways, I don't think that is factoring into Delany's decisions at all. I'll give him a little more credit than that.

Hate to disagree with you rec, but if (key word) UNC fears the ACC may crumble, and the B1G comes knocking, I doubt they'd say no because of their tradition with Duke.

LJ;1326346 wrote:Delany is a former UNC captain. If he thinks he can get UNC, its more than just wishful thinking. I don't think that is a school that would be the strongest rumor of there wasnt some truth to it. He probably wants his alma mater.

He's also a 60ish year old Baby Boomer, you know the people that have driven our economy and society to a near collapse. Maybe UNC is part of the equation, maybe not.

What I do know is that all of these moves are based on a very short-sighted (pretty much the adjective that defines the Baby Boomer generation) bet that the short-term cable revenue will hold up. I'm not a fortune-teller, and have no idea how we will get our real-time broadcast feeds 10 years from now, but I do know that basic (and pay) cable will likely go the way of the dodo. Just because the B1G network now is profitable doesn't mean it will be a few years from now.

SportsAndLady;1326368 wrote:Hate to disagree with you rec, but if (key word) UNC fears the ACC may crumble, and the B1G comes knocking, I doubt they'd say no because of their tradition with Duke.

Plus basketball has yet to figure into any of these decisions

killer_ewok;1326349 wrote:So Delany getting some ACC schools to defect to the B1G is "taking out" ND? I don't see that happening. And I stand by my statement that if that plays a part in his decisions....that's foolish.

If things got that bad in the ACC....ND could buy out of their deal with them and I'm sure there would be another conference ready to deal with ND. You're talking about Delany making money and that will keep him where he's at....let's be honest, regardless about how you feel about Notre Dame...you cannot deny that they are a big money maker and any conference would be thrilled to have them. That's not arrogance, that's the truth. They'll be fine regardless of what happens between the B1G and ACC.

Anyways, I don't think that is factoring into Delany's decisions at all. I'll give him a little more credit than that.

What does ND do revenue wise with basketball? I'm sure the football program is a money maker, but the conferences aren't getting the football program, so are the other sports making money for ND and the conference they are in?

Manhattan Buckeye;1326384 wrote:He's also a 60ish year old Baby Boomer, you know the people that have driven our economy and society to a near collapse. Maybe UNC is part of the equation, maybe not.

What I do know is that all of these moves are based on a very short-sighted (pretty much the adjective that defines the Baby Boomer generation) bet that the short-term cable revenue will hold up. I'm not a fortune-teller, and have no idea how we will get our real-time broadcast feeds 10 years from now, but I do know that basic (and pay) cable will likely go the way of the dodo. Just because the B1G network now is profitable doesn't mean it will be a few years from now.

Well as long as the B1G doesn't replicate the business strategies of Blockbuster, they'll find a way to adapt and continue to bring in revenue.

SportsAndLady;1326412 wrote:Well as long as the B1G doesn't replicate the business strategies of Blockbuster, they'll find a way to adapt and continue to bring in revenue.

Agree. The medium used to deliver the product is irrelevent really. Cable companies aren't going away, it just may not be delivered on a wire cable. Even if everything moves to the internet, there still needs to be a company to serve up the content, and the demand for the product isn't going to vanish.

se-alum;1326406 wrote:What does ND do revenue wise with basketball? I'm sure the football program is a money maker, but the conferences aren't getting the football program, so are the other sports making money for ND and the conference they are in?

The conference has a deal with ND and probably feels that IF Notre Dame were going to join a conference in football...this would give them a leg up on other conferences. As others have stated, football is the driving force behind conference realignment. I don't know all of the figures for every sport but I do know that ND has several other successful athletic programs as well. Also, having the Notre Dame "brand" affiliated with your conference probably doesn't hurt either.

I think it's HILARIOUS that Notre Dame, essentially, "joined" the ACC and the Big Ten is poaching the ACC. I love it.

Scarlet_Buckeye;1326468 wrote:I think it's HILARIOUS that Notre Dame, essentially, "joined" the ACC and the Big Ten is poaching the ACC. I love it.

Should others find it equally hilarious that the B1G is poaching a conference that gets ripped (by B1G fans and others) for being weak?

se-alum;1326406 wrote:What does ND do revenue wise with basketball? I'm sure the football program is a money maker, but the conferences aren't getting the football program, so are the other sports making money for ND and the conference they are in?

ND will get the same TV revenue for basketball that other ACC schools get. I don't recall the exact amount but there is basketball money and football money in their TV contracts.

Scarlet_Buckeye;1326468 wrote:I think it's HILARIOUS that Notre Dame, essentially, "joined" the ACC and the Big Ten is poaching the ACC. I love it.

I find it hilarious the B1G's football reputation is the lowest its ever been and they just added Maryland and a team from a conference that has been ripped on here as being MAC level and non deserving of a BCS bid.

Also amusing, an undefeated Ohio State is playing Michigan this week and the B1G chooses now to invite those schools to keep the conference from being shuffled to the back of conversation nationally.

I find it hilarious that you'll have to go back to 1992 to find the last time ND beat a ranked team in a bowl game.

I find it hilarious that this thread turned into a pissing match between ND and OSU fans...

wait, no I don't.

Try to stick to the topic at hand.

karen lotz;1326475 wrote:ND will get the same TV revenue for basketball that other ACC schools get. I don't recall the exact amount but there is basketball money and football money in their TV contracts.

So, ND football gets paid on the ACC football contract as well or is ND football totally separate and only receiving money for their NBC deal?