Or maybe not deduct points from the person attempting the takedown, but reward takedown defense

Crosby youd appreciate this, sure you can tell me how accurate this analogy is, as you follow hockey and i dont. No clue who said it, as its a comment from mmajunkie

"Greg Jackson's camp is the New Jersey Devils of MMA. The NHL had to get rid of the red line because the Devils were so successful at defensive play. Sure they won alot, but they lost fans in doing so. Same will happen to the UFC. A new rule will have to come into play or else far too many fights will be lay n prays"

I am sick of strikers complaining about wrestlers! Learn grappling then. I see wrestlers working on their striking! BJJ and wrestling/grappling bases are must haves to be successful in MMA this ain't boxing!

So if you try and try and try for a take down and get stuffed...but finally successfully get one...it should be worth THAT much. Because thats pretty much how it is now

If your opponent isn't landing on the feet then yes

Lol that makes no sense. Takedown,stuffed, takedown, stuffed, take down,stufedf. Takedown...little to no damage /round win.

I said if there is no damage or strikes landing from the opponent then yes the takedown is gonna score. Sometimes the takedown is a straight up defense to stop the striking advantage, how can you fault a fighter for taking a fight to the ground when they are at a disadvantage on the feet? I guess being a wrestler I am bit biased, I see it as a way finally wrestlers are rewarded financially for their years of hard work homing a skill that really could take them no where professionally.

Is Machida next in line for Rampage?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=Ald5HsmZ9O7NOXbqsM_92QY9Eo14?slug=ys-mmaweek060110

The New Jersey Devils are very defensive team and always will be. If they get a two goal lead they'll just play a neutral zone trap the entire game. Pretty much the same thing all of Greg Jacksons fighters do.

Upcoming events (followed by big fights):

UFC 115: Liddell vs. Franklin - June 12th on PPV from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin
Mirko Cro Cop vs. Pat Barry
Martin Kampmann vs. Paulo Thiago
Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel
Tyson Griffin vs. Evan Dunhan

Strikeforce: Los Angeles - June 16th from Los Angeles, California
Robbie Lawler vs. Babalu Sobral
Marius Zaromskis vs. Evangelista Santos

The Ultimate Fighter 11 finale - June 19th on Spike TV from Las Vegas, Nevada
Matt Hammill vs. Keith Jardine
Court McGee vs. Kris McCray
Aaron Simpson vs. Chris Leben
Spencer Fisher vs. Dennis Siver

WEC 49: Varner vs. Shalorus - June 20th on Versus from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Jamie Varner vs. Kamal Shalorus
Josh Grispi vs. L.C. Davis
Chris Horodecki vs. Ed Radcliff

Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Werdum - June 26th from San Jose, California
Fedor Emelianenko vs. Fabricio Werdum
Cung Le vs. Scott Smith II
Christine Santos (c) vs. Jan Finney for Women's Featherweight Title

UFC 116 - July 3rd on PPV from Las Vegas, Nevada
Brock Lesnar (c) vs. Shane Carwin (ic) for Undisputed Heavyweight Title
Wanderlei Silva vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama
Stephan Bonnar vs. Krzysztof Soszynski II
Kurt Pellegrino vs. George Sotiropoulos
Kendall Grove vs. Goran Reljic

UFC on Versus 2 - August 1st on Versus from Salt Lake City, Utah
Jon Jones vs. Vladimir Matuyshenko
Mark Munoz vs. Yushin Okami
Joe Stevenson vs. Takanori Gomi
John Howard vs. Jake Ellenberger

UFC 117 - August 7th on PPV from Oakland, California
Anderson Silva (c) vs. Chael Sonnen for Middleweight Title
Junior dos Santos vs. Roy Nelson
Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
Thiago Silva vs. Tim Boetsch
Clay Guida vs. Rafael dos Anjos
Matt Hughes vs. Ricardo Almeida

WEC 50 - August 18th on Versus from Las Vegas, Nevada
Dominick Cruz (c) vs. Joseph Benavidez II for Bantamweight Title
Urijah Faber vs. Takeya Mizugaki
Anthony Pettis vs. Shane Roller

Strikeforce 27 - August 21st on ??? from Houston, Texas
Muhammad Lawal (c) vs. ??? for Light Heavyweight Title

UFC 118 - August 28th on PPV from Boston, Massachusetts
Frankie Edgar (c) vs. B.J. Penn II for Lightweight Title
Kenny Florian vs. Gray Maynard
Randy Couture vs. James Toney
Nate Marquardt vs. Rousimar Palhares

WEC 51 - September 8th on Versus from TBA
???

UFC Fight Night 22 - September 15th on Spike TV
Demian Maia vs. Alan Belcher
Jim Miller vs. Gleison Tibau
Cole Miller vs. Ross Pearson

UFC 119 - September 25th on PPV from Indianapolis, Indiana
Melvin Guillard vs. Jeremy Stephens
Matt Mitrione vs. Joey Beltran

WEC 52 - October 13th on Versus from ???
???

UFC 120 - October 16th on PPV/Spike TV from London, England
Dan Hardy vs. ???
Michael Bisping vs. ???

UFC 121 - November 13th on PPV from Oberhausen, Germany
Vitor Belfort vs. ???

WEC 52 - November 24th on Versus from ???
???

The Ultimate Fighter 12 finale - December 4th on Spike TV from Las Vegas, Nevada
Lightweight Finalist #1 vs. Lightweight Finalist #2

Why did they give Jon Jones a good opponent (Vera) and then back him down to another bum?

IMO Matyushenko is no bum, a good veteran fighter:
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Vladimir-Matyushenko-435

I mean I know hes a vet...But this isnt 2001-2003. Hes a 39 year old with only a handful of UFC fights in the last 4 years. Is he the same as he used to be?

I won't say he is the same he used to be but still a veteran fighter and a name for Jones. Jones is the next big thing and they have him on the slow slow track to a title shot. He is a marketable fighter and they are going to get his name out there slowly and let him climb the ladder.

Apparently some people don't want wrestling in MMA then?

Why not just call it small glove kickboxing then?

I agree with the "if you don't like it, don't watch MMA" crowd so far with regards to Evans/Rampage.

I hate Evans and am a fan of Rampage, and even I agree with them, if you don't want to be takendown/pushed against the cage, learn better grappling.

I also do agree that the UFC needs some form of "yellow card" like Pride used to keep the action going more towards finishing fights instead of just going for the decision.

I have no problem with wrestling. What I have a problem with is fighters like Kos and Evans who go for the takedown...then simply do nothing else. If you tackle the guy, and rain elbows and punches on him while controlling him more power to you and its great. If you just hold him there basically...yeah not fun

The Yellow card system would be great.

I would have no problem with the card system formally used in Pride. I do agree sometimes the action no doubt gets boring but you can see that at some point in any sporting event. I also think sometimes people see no action but at the same time have no clue what is actually happening once they hit the ground. Its not like you can just easily mount someone and blast away. At that level of MMA you need to be very careful once on top of where you are sticking your limbs or they will get broke off.

UFC 115

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Fab1b;375583 wrote:I would have no problem with the card system formally used in Pride. I do agree sometimes the action no doubt gets boring but you can see that at some point in any sporting event. I also think sometimes people see no action but at the same time have no clue what is actually happening once they hit the ground. Its not like you can just easily mount someone and blast away. At that level of MMA you need to be very careful once on top of where you are sticking your limbs or they will get broke off.

Not only that, but of all the "dominant" positions (side mount, mount, back mount) mount is by far the hardest to "keep" if your opponent knows anything about grappling. So yes, it is hard to just sit in mount and drop flying bombs.

MMA unlike most sports is not a sport you can just gain knowledge from by watching. Unless you have ever wrestled, boxed, BJJ'd, done martial arts of any sort then you have no clue how hard it is to control someone so you can beat on them. Too many casual fans want to see a boxing or a kick boxing match, that is not what MMA is or about!

Not sure which upcoming UFC even i'm most looking forward to. Can't wait to watch Lesnar and Carwin go at it at 116, but outside of maybe 1 or 2 other fights, the rest of the card doesn't interest me to much. I think 117, from top to bottom, is a better card. Although Silva/Sonnen doesn't have as much appeal as Carwin/Lesnar.

116 I will be buying, 115 I will find online and watch. The 2 free events in June UFC and WEC I will have to set up the DVR for as I will be out of town that weekend.

I really want to see Cung Le/Scott Smith II but I will find that online as well as the Fedor fight.