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I Wear Pants
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Nov 18, 2013 3:55pm
Depends on what you mean by sparring. They definitely do boxing and kickboxing sparring. Not always 100% go obviously and maybe with headgear, but headgear only helps for cuts and bruises, not for brain damage/concussions.Raw Dawgin' it;1538135 wrote:The hits in football are anything but small and they're definitely repetitive not to mention they take those hits over the course of an hour 4 times a month plus practice.
Even when training, fighters don't spar everyday and from what i understand it's not even once a week depending on where they are in the training process.
What makes it safer than boxing is not having a 10 count.
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sportchampps
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Nov 18, 2013 3:55pm
It's better to get knocked out in one punch like MMA then be an NFL lineman and basically take a hit on every play to the head. No gloves and the one punch ko also make it way better then boxing for your head. I do agree though down the road were gonna see some guys with long term effects but that's gonna happen with any sport.
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Zoltan
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Nov 18, 2013 4:06pm
You could argue all day about what is worse. There is no exact science to it. Is 100 repetitive collisions equal to 1 KO? Maybe 1000? 10,000? Who knows? Some guys might be fine while others have serious side effects. My original point was Dana acted like an idiot in dealing with this situation.sportchampps;1538156 wrote:It's better to get knocked out in one punch like MMA then be an NFL lineman and basically take a hit on every play to the head. No gloves and the one punch ko also make it way better then boxing for your head. I do agree though down the road were gonna see some guys with long term effects but that's gonna happen with any sport.
End of Line
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Nov 18, 2013 4:48pm
I wouldn't be shocked if he's dealing with depression deep down either, he's got serious mental issues he has to take care of right now. I want the best for GSP as he's given us everything every time he's stepped in to fight. He owes the UFC and us nothing.Zoltan;1538026 wrote:Dana's comments after the fight were just horrible. The UFC has been getting a relative free pass on the brain injuries deal because it's still a pretty new sport. When the first wave of guys like Hendo, Big Nog, Shogun, Wandy, etc. are about to be hitting the I can't remember my kids name/deep depression phase that will end. Knowing that, he's going to come out and say GSP's problems aren't that bad and he owes the UFC another fight? Your biggest draw just described anxiety, not being able sleep, and memory/vision loss. Let him do whatever he wants.
Also, if GSP does indeed retire his PPV business is pretty much gone. Lesnar and GSP gone. Silva isn't really a draw to help.
robj55
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Nov 18, 2013 6:34pm
Yes, it is much safer. It is regulated and it isn't like football or Hockey in that if a key guy has a concussion they don't have to rush them back early. I mean guys get concussions in hockey and football and are back the next week or that game even! Boxers take way more abuse and shots to the head, not to mention they can get knocked out, recover in under 10 seconds and be allowed to continue only to get concussed again. MMA fighters don't even take a ton of abuse to the head in fights most of the time, there are countless fights I have watched where guys have taken almost zero damage to the head and won or even lost because there are so many ways to win/lose.Raw Dawgin' it;1538126 wrote:Not nearly as bad as boxing though. Two weeks ago a fighter was put into a medically induced coma and then had a stroke after the 10 round beating he took. MMA is a lot safer than boxing and football. I'd say it's safer than hockey too.
robj55
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Nov 18, 2013 6:38pm
As for the GSP thing, I've read that his father is on the drink of death as well. GSP is one of those guys that is crazy obsessed and I think he will be fine after a few months, he has taken very little damage over the course of his career. The UFC just needs to stick by him and help him in whatever way they can, we all have personal problems and some people deal with them differently than others.
robj55
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Nov 18, 2013 6:41pm
Just read that the leaked story of his ill father is false.
Raw Dawgin' it
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Nov 19, 2013 7:55am
Listen to Rogan on the radio and he thinks GSP has just taken too much punishment and should retire. Saying when GSP was on his podcast he was saying how he loses time and doesn't know how he got where he was going or how he got home sometimes. He also said the stat that GSP has taken more hits in his last 3 fights than all his others (something along those lines).
Either way, Rogan thinks he's taken too many shots and too much punishment and should retire. He also was saying Hendricks definitely won the fight and if GSP retires they should just give the belt to Hendricks.
Either way, Rogan thinks he's taken too many shots and too much punishment and should retire. He also was saying Hendricks definitely won the fight and if GSP retires they should just give the belt to Hendricks.
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Zoltan
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Nov 19, 2013 9:07am
You don't know how much damage guys have taken in the gym but GSP wouldn't be close to the first person on the head damage scale from what we have seen in the cage. I remember when GSP was on Rogan's podcast they were referencing some weird stuff about GSP that they were not supposed to talk about. I guess he had an escape route planned from his home in case aliens came to get him, and some other weird stuff about how he loses time. I guess the UFC and/or GSP's management did not want him to get into it.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Nov 19, 2013 9:57am
Yeah he thinks he's been abducted.Zoltan;1538636 wrote:You don't know how much damage guys have taken in the gym but GSP wouldn't be close to the first person on the head damage scale from what we have seen in the cage. I remember when GSP was on Rogan's podcast they were referencing some weird stuff about GSP that they were not supposed to talk about. I guess he had an escape route planned from his home in case aliens came to get him, and some other weird stuff about how he loses time. I guess the UFC and/or GSP's management did not want him to get into it.
robj55
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Nov 22, 2013 11:14pm
Lyoto Machida's older brother Chinzo just won at RFA 11 with one of the most brutal knees I've ever seen/heard.
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sportchampps
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Nov 30, 2013 2:22pm
Dana White can GFH for not signing Askren. If you want me to believe the UFC goes after the best fighters in the world you have to sign him.
Fab1b
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Nov 30, 2013 2:58pm
Agree...pisses me off!sportchampps;1544876 wrote:Dana White can GFH for not signing Askren. If you want me to believe the UFC goes after the best fighters in the world you have to sign him.
robj55
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Nov 30, 2013 3:32pm
Diaz vs Maynard 3 tonight, should be a really good competitive fight.
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sportchampps
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Nov 30, 2013 3:49pm
Tonight's card should be fun it's interesting that every girl on Tuf got a UFC and only the 2 finalists in the men's side
robj55
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Nov 30, 2013 3:50pm
Yeah division depth has a ton to do with that.sportchampps;1544966 wrote:Tonight's card should be fun it's interesting that every girl on Tuf got a UFC and only the 2 finalists in the men's side
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sportchampps
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Nov 30, 2013 5:35pm
Yeah for sure
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sportchampps
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Nov 30, 2013 5:36pm
I like holdsworth and Pena to win. Holdsworth is team alpha male and pretty damn good.
robj55
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Nov 30, 2013 5:48pm
Yeah Gray vs Nate is an important fight, both need a win bad and whoever wins will get a big fight coming off of this.
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sportchampps
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Nov 30, 2013 7:36pm
I hope Diaz win but I'm a Diaz supporter and I like Maynard a lot
robj55
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Nov 30, 2013 7:47pm
These guys are pretty evenly matched, Gray doesn't really use his wrestling anymore which may be a problem.sportchampps;1545166 wrote:I hope Diaz win but I'm a Diaz supporter and I like Maynard a lot
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sportchampps
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Nov 30, 2013 7:48pm
Tonight's UFC has some good bets. I feel like the women's undercard fights are all pretty close and both underdogs have a chance in the non TUF finale fights. If we learned anything in TUF it's that we don't know who will win
robj55
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Nov 30, 2013 7:54pm
Yeah I wouldn't touch any of those lolsportchampps;1545172 wrote:Tonight's UFC has some good bets. I feel like the women's undercard fights are all pretty close and both underdogs have a chance in the non TUF finale fights. If we learned anything in TUF it's that we don't know who will win
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sportchampps
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Nov 30, 2013 8:06pm
I bet $50 on Peggy and Roxy. I think I'm going to bet another $50 on Diaz who is +120 and then $100 on holdsworth. It will make the fights even more fun to watch and I'm still up like 650 this year on UFC bets
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sportchampps
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Nov 30, 2013 8:09pm
I also threw $50 on Sampo and Blanco. So the most I can lose 350 and I'll only be up $300 if I lose them all