
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Nov 14, 2013 10:43am
He's like Money Mayweather to me. No one has really pushed him to take risks so his fights come off as boring. Admit it, you prefer ripped GSP to chubby Hendricks, that's the real reason, right? ha.I Wear Pants;1535448 wrote:Doesn't seem very bright and has been pretty tinfoil at times. And his whole not understanding the difference between VADA/WADA and making it a big deal. Plus I like watching GSP fight. Guess I just never got on the Hendricks train, I don't hate the dude or anything, just like GSP more.
Personally, I'm ready for a changing of the guard. I think GSP gets an immediate rematch if he wins, but it would be cool to see 3 title changes in one year.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 14, 2013 11:05am
I like GSP because he still works and does damage in a fight like the one with Condit. Hendricks did nothing with dominant positioning against Carlos. Which is another reason I don't see Hendricks winning, even if he gets it to the ground I don't think he'll be able to damage or threaten subs.Raw Dawgin' it;1535470 wrote:He's like Money Mayweather to me. No one has really pushed him to take risks so his fights come off as boring. Admit it, you prefer ripped GSP to chubby Hendricks, that's the real reason, right? ha.
Personally, I'm ready for a changing of the guard. I think GSP gets an immediate rematch if he wins, but it would be cool to see 3 title changes in one year.

Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Nov 14, 2013 11:12am
Definitely no subs from Hendricks. I think he'll pull a Chuck and use his wrestling to keep it on the feet as best he can and try and connect.I Wear Pants;1535481 wrote:I like GSP because he still works and does damage in a fight like the one with Condit. Hendricks did nothing with dominant positioning against Carlos. Which is another reason I don't see Hendricks winning, even if he gets it to the ground I don't think he'll be able to damage or threaten subs.
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I Wear Pants
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Nov 14, 2013 11:14am
I imagine that's his gameplan. We'll find out how it works soon enough.Raw Dawgin' it;1535487 wrote:Definitely no subs from Hendricks. I think he'll pull a Chuck and use his wrestling to keep it on the feet as best he can and try and connect.

Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Nov 14, 2013 11:17am
I'd like to see Hendricks fight Lawler if they both lose. Pretty much a guaranteed finish.I Wear Pants;1535489 wrote:I imagine that's his gameplan. We'll find out how it works soon enough.
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Zoltan
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Nov 14, 2013 11:24am
His plan to win is certainly to land a huge left hand, but I still think he needs to take GSP down some to keep him off balance. In the Condit fight he would take him down, slam him and basically let him up, and he needs to do that to GSP as well if possible to make his striking a little more hesitant. It also allows him to do the fake a takedown but really throw a lunging left hand move he caught Kampmann with. If he can get GSP to drop his hands to defend the takedown, that's an opening to connect.I Wear Pants;1535489 wrote:I imagine that's his gameplan. We'll find out how it works soon enough.

Fab1b
Posts: 12,949
Nov 14, 2013 11:41am
This is the guy I think GSP can't out wrestle and if it stays on the feet GSP gets hurt by big punches. I'm taking Hendricks here by TKO 3rd or 4th rd as he catches GSP with a big punch after early rds of takedowns.

cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
Nov 14, 2013 1:03pm
I'm ordering it! Looking for Hendricks and Sonnen to win the big two, but have a feeling only one of them will.

Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Nov 14, 2013 1:16pm
Have a feeling neither will. As much as I want Hendricks I doubt it happens. I also think Rashad will beat up Chael.cruiser_96;1535541 wrote:I'm ordering it! Looking for Hendricks and Sonnen to win the big two, but have a feeling only one of them will.
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jmog
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Nov 14, 2013 1:43pm
That is my exact opinion as well. I have never thought anyone since Serra would or could beat GSP until Saturday night.Zoltan;1535417 wrote:Of all the dominate champions (Anderson, GSP, Aldo, Bones) I think GSP has been the one fans have been able to talk themselves into losing the most. It seems that since the Serra fight it is always the narrative of all it takes is one punch, and GSP is gone.
I haven't really bought into that for anyone he has fought until now. Hendricks should be able to keep this on the feet and will be dangerous. GSP might get takedowns but he won't be able to hold him there for long. This is the the most dangerous fight he has had and I give Hendricks a 35% shot of winning.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Nov 14, 2013 1:46pm
Georges St-Pierre vs Johny Hendricks
Rashad Evans vs. Chael Sonnen
Rory MacDonald vs. Robbie Lawler
Josh Koscheck vs. Tyron Woodley
Tim Elliott vs. Ali Bagautinov
Preliminary card (Fox Sports 1)
Donald Cerrone vs. Evan Dunham
Ed Herman vs. Thales Leites
Brian Ebersole vs. Rick Story
Erik Perez vs. Edwin Figueroa
Bold is who I think will win, underlined is who I want to win. Yes, I have both GSP and Hendricks underlined, I like them both too much to root for either.
Rashad Evans vs. Chael Sonnen
Rory MacDonald vs. Robbie Lawler
Josh Koscheck vs. Tyron Woodley
Tim Elliott vs. Ali Bagautinov
Preliminary card (Fox Sports 1)
Donald Cerrone vs. Evan Dunham
Ed Herman vs. Thales Leites
Brian Ebersole vs. Rick Story
Erik Perez vs. Edwin Figueroa
Bold is who I think will win, underlined is who I want to win. Yes, I have both GSP and Hendricks underlined, I like them both too much to root for either.
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Nov 14, 2013 6:21pm
BTW WADA is true testing. Basically fighters have to give where they will be for the three months prior to the fight. If they make any changes they have to give 3 day notice. The testers can show up at anytime with 1 hour notice. If you miss the test you fail. Vada testing is a joke fighters are usually tested three times at predetermined times. That means fighters can just stop taking hgh for a day and drop back to normal levels pass and not worry about it until the next test. It's a fraud of drug testing.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 14, 2013 7:02pm
You misunderstand just like Hendricks. WADA doesn't test anyone, they make standards. VADA is a testing org that uses WADA standards.sportchampps;1535771 wrote:BTW WADA is true testing. Basically fighters have to give where they will be for the three months prior to the fight. If they make any changes they have to give 3 day notice. The testers can show up at anytime with 1 hour notice. If you miss the test you fail. Vada testing is a joke fighters are usually tested three times at predetermined times. That means fighters can just stop taking hgh for a day and drop back to normal levels pass and not worry about it until the next test. It's a fraud of drug testing.

Enforcer
Posts: 2,140
Nov 14, 2013 11:03pm
Bellator welterweight champ Ben Askren has been released by the company

Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Nov 15, 2013 7:56am
Jones pulls out of UFC 170 but not injured...no reason given yet.
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Nov 15, 2013 11:10am
You misunderstand as well. WADA doesn't do testing but they have certified a few labs around the world as their testing facilities. VADA does not test just like WADA certified facilities. They test for less drugs and give the athletes predetermined times to be tested. It's not random testing if an athlete knows about it before the test. Victor Conte helps run and support Vada. Yes the same Victor Conte from Balco who used to give athletes steroids. He is now giving steroid users a place to be tested where any smart athlete can beat the test and claim to be drug free. The NSAC is the one who wanted to use the WADA testing center. Keith Kizer the head of it said he talked to both fighters and they agreed. Then GSP had his camp call and ask what they will be testing for when the tests will be. If GSP is clean why does he need predetermined tests and why does he have to know what their testing for. Keith Kizer of the NSAC has said he sees red flags from GSP as a result of how this was handled just like Hendricks.
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Nov 15, 2013 11:19am
BTW if you would like you can google the emails GSP and his team sent Kizer and the questions they ask. They even at one point tell Kizer GSPs manager will be gone for the next 10 days without any email cell phone or any other way of contact. Seriously who in this day and age can go anywhere for 10 days with out any contact to the outside world. Why does GSP need to know what drugs are being tested for on the banned list and why does he need the dates of the tests. Why does GSPneed to know the limits that won't make you fail the test. Why did he specially ask about HGH and EPO being tested for.
A person who is clean doesn't need to ask the questions that GSPs camp were asking.
Basically GSP wanted testing that was at a predetermined time for predetermined substances instead of random tests for random substances.
A person who is clean doesn't need to ask the questions that GSPs camp were asking.
Basically GSP wanted testing that was at a predetermined time for predetermined substances instead of random tests for random substances.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 15, 2013 2:06pm
You're wrong about VADA, they test or at least were for the GSP-Hendricks part under WADA guidelines. I don't know what more you want.
Also, GSP didn't refuse:
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Hello all,
We spoke with Georges today and he took his decision so for your information, Georges has decided that if Johny Hendricks does not want to do VADA and prefers your proposed enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Nevada Athletic Commission, Georges will also do it, in addition to VADA.
I will be out of the office without access to email or voicemail until Aug. 27th but in the meantime, please provide us with all documentation, a detailed invoice and payment instructions necessary to proceed with such enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Commission.
Best regards
Rodolphe"
Also, GSP didn't refuse:
"
Hello all,
We spoke with Georges today and he took his decision so for your information, Georges has decided that if Johny Hendricks does not want to do VADA and prefers your proposed enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Nevada Athletic Commission, Georges will also do it, in addition to VADA.
I will be out of the office without access to email or voicemail until Aug. 27th but in the meantime, please provide us with all documentation, a detailed invoice and payment instructions necessary to proceed with such enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Commission.
Best regards
Rodolphe"
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Nov 15, 2013 4:30pm
First no place tests for all the drugs at once it would be to expensive and time consuming. WADA approved places randomly select the dates and drugs you are tested for with 1 hour warning. VADA would have given the fighters notice of when their tests were and what they would be testing for ahead of time (as much as 3 months notice) VADA says they use WADA tactics which is true to the point of what drugs they might test for the difference is in what their opinion of random is. They are playing semantics to help people pass tests and appear clean.
Read the part you highlighted GSP's own manager calls it enhanced steroid and drug testing. It's enhanced because Vada doesn't do random testing. They tell the athletes what the tests will be for and when the tests are. VADA contends their tests are random because they randomly pick the dates ahead of time. Sure GSP will do the testing after his manager goes on radio silence for 10 days. It's huge red flags even the NSAC says it's red flags on GSP's part. Who goes somewhere where they don't have access to email or a phone for 10 days. It just shows he needs to flush his system before he can take part. So GSP said I need 10 days to be clean but after that sure I will take part.
if his manager didn't go on radio silence for 10 days they would have both agreed and testing would have began then. Their were WADA testing facilities in Montreal and Vegas that the fighters could have easily used. There really is no excuse.
GSP can spin it anyways he wants but you can read the questions he asks and the responses they give about the testing and come to your own conclusions. Why would a clean fighter ask about being tested for certain drugs like EPO and HGH. Why would a clean fighter need to know what days he was being tested ahead of time. Why would a clean fighter need to know the exact drugs being tested for. A clean finger just pisses In The cup or gives blood with no worries.
Read the part you highlighted GSP's own manager calls it enhanced steroid and drug testing. It's enhanced because Vada doesn't do random testing. They tell the athletes what the tests will be for and when the tests are. VADA contends their tests are random because they randomly pick the dates ahead of time. Sure GSP will do the testing after his manager goes on radio silence for 10 days. It's huge red flags even the NSAC says it's red flags on GSP's part. Who goes somewhere where they don't have access to email or a phone for 10 days. It just shows he needs to flush his system before he can take part. So GSP said I need 10 days to be clean but after that sure I will take part.
if his manager didn't go on radio silence for 10 days they would have both agreed and testing would have began then. Their were WADA testing facilities in Montreal and Vegas that the fighters could have easily used. There really is no excuse.
GSP can spin it anyways he wants but you can read the questions he asks and the responses they give about the testing and come to your own conclusions. Why would a clean fighter ask about being tested for certain drugs like EPO and HGH. Why would a clean fighter need to know what days he was being tested ahead of time. Why would a clean fighter need to know the exact drugs being tested for. A clean finger just pisses In The cup or gives blood with no worries.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 15, 2013 7:52pm
You are not understanding and I'm beginning to doubt your reading abilities. The "enhanced testing" is what the NSAC calls WADA/additional testing that they wouldn't normally do. It was Kizer's term. As for the questions, that was likely just GSP's attorney doing his job.sportchampps;1536376 wrote:First no place tests for all the drugs at once it would be to expensive and time consuming. WADA approved places randomly select the dates and drugs you are tested for with 1 hour warning. VADA would have given the fighters notice of when their tests were and what they would be testing for ahead of time (as much as 3 months notice) VADA says they use WADA tactics which is true to the point of what drugs they might test for the difference is in what their opinion of random is. They are playing semantics to help people pass tests and appear clean.
Read the part you highlighted GSP's own manager calls it enhanced steroid and drug testing. It's enhanced because Vada doesn't do random testing. They tell the athletes what the tests will be for and when the tests are. VADA contends their tests are random because they randomly pick the dates ahead of time. Sure GSP will do the testing after his manager goes on radio silence for 10 days. It's huge red flags even the NSAC says it's red flags on GSP's part. Who goes somewhere where they don't have access to email or a phone for 10 days. It just shows he needs to flush his system before he can take part. So GSP said I need 10 days to be clean but after that sure I will take part.
if his manager didn't go on radio silence for 10 days they would have both agreed and testing would have began then. Their were WADA testing facilities in Montreal and Vegas that the fighters could have easily used. There really is no excuse.
GSP can spin it anyways he wants but you can read the questions he asks and the responses they give about the testing and come to your own conclusions. Why would a clean fighter ask about being tested for certain drugs like EPO and HGH. Why would a clean fighter need to know what days he was being tested ahead of time. Why would a clean fighter need to know the exact drugs being tested for. A clean finger just pisses In The cup or gives blood with no worries.
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Nov 15, 2013 11:49pm
Keep making excuses for GSP

robj55
Posts: 9,511
Nov 15, 2013 11:55pm
Rampage Ko'd Beltran tonight in Bellator.

Enforcer
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Nov 16, 2013 12:19am
Rampage looked good in the quick KO
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Nov 16, 2013 9:54am
UFC better sign Askren and not make him go to the WSOF like Dana is saying. Hopefully Dana is just driving the price down.

said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Nov 16, 2013 10:20am
Frenchie goin' down.