
Raw Dawgin' it
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Mar 21, 2013 6:48am
jmog;1409405 wrote:You do realize that more time was spend standing in the fight than was spend on the ground right?
jmog;1409599 wrote:No, watch it again, 2 or 3 minutes of each round was spent on the feet. Not just 1 minute. 12-13 minutes of the fight were on the feet and 12-13 were on the ground.
GSP out struck Diaz on the feet for those 12+ minutes as well.
jmog;1409641 wrote:Fightmetric doesn't agree with you and neither does the facts.
GSP landed more power shots to the head, more power shots to the body, and they both had 2 power shots to the legs.
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/03/st-pierre-vs-diaz-official-ufc.html
Biased opinion clouding your judgment?
I mean 54 power shots landed to 26.
Even when you sort it by standing only, GSP had 13 power shots landed to Diaz's 9.
You guys LOVE Diaz's "punches in bunches" and when he throws a crap ton of soft jabs, but when GSP lands a crap ton of standing "soft jabs" its no good?
Fightmetric says that GSP landed 32 power strikes on the ground, 24 to the head, 8 to the body. He landed 129 total strikes on the ground, that is 10 strikes per minute of ground fighting.
I know it sucks when your favorite fighter gets beat by someone you hate, but at least look up the facts of the fight before making incorrect claims.
105 power/sig strikes to 41, but Diaz "landed better strikes"?
210 total landed strikes to 80.
GSP landed more strikes to every part of the body too, head, body, legs.
What else did he need to do to prove he dominated every aspect of the fight, even when at boxing distance that all the Diaz fans thought Diaz would dominate?
jmog;1409802 wrote:Name 1 top WW in the UFC Nick has beat?
I love the fight in the Diaz brothers, but to be honest with yourself you have to realize Nick hasn't beat any real top fighters at WW.
I mean his last stint in the UFC he lost 3 in a row to Sherk, Riggs, and Sanchez. Then he beat up cans in EliteXC and Strikeforce for quite awhile with his best win ever being against Gomi, a LW who hasn't done much since joining the UFC.
He is entertaining, no doubt, and he has skills, but he hasn't beat anyone worth a crap in a LONG LONG time.
Please don't mention a retired BJP. Diaz can beat good LWs, but hasn't beat a good WW in many years.
jmog;1409806 wrote:So the people at fightmetric, who do that for a living, are wrong and you are right?
No way did GSP land 32 power shots on the ground?
You have high regard to the knees to the body Diaz landed in the clinch but ignore the hard knees to the body GSP landed on the ground?
You couldn't sound more biased unless you came out and said "Diaz should have got the decision".
GSP did more damage in every single round, he landed more strikes in every single round, and completely dominated on the ground.
The 2 places every Diaz fan assumed Diaz would have an advantage (on the feet and off his back) are two places that GSP dominated.
jmog;1409960 wrote:Close losses are still losses. You didn't come up with one top WW that he has beat.
He talked his way into a title fight just like Sonnen.
jmog;1409993 wrote:10ish I can buy for Daley at that time but not Zaromskis.
However, 10ish is not top 10. Diaz fans in general got dilusional in his skill level since he beat up a ton of cans in EliteXC and Strikeforce.
jmog;1410015 wrote:If his bjj was that good he would have got at least close to a submission if not pull it off.
If his boxing was that great how did he get beat in the standup by GSP if he is just the lay n pray artist you say he is?
I just get tired of the double standard. When Diaz lands 100+ significant strikes that were mostly jabs it is exciting. When GSP lands 100+ significant strikes against Diaz that included a lot of jabs the Diaz fans say "all he did was jab and lay n pray".
The hypocrisy is astounding.
Alright already, we fucking get it!jmog;1410202 wrote:That is pure opinion and not fact at all.
Is the rolling knee bar the only submission Nick knows? I've seen him use a few others, it's not like that was the only possible chance he had.
GSP also said exactly why he didn't take the back with hooks, it was because of the knee bar, it wasn't because Nick stopped him from doing it.
Nick landed, wait for it...41 significant strikes in 12-13 minutes of standup fighting. THat's about 3 strikes per minute.
GSP landed 73 significant strikes in those same 12-13 minutes, that's about 6 per minute. Do you really want to compare who did more damage standing?
Throw in GSP's 32 significant strikes on the ground (2-3 per minute on the ground) to Diaz's 0 and anyone who says that the damage done was close was not watching the same fight OR is a Diaz nut hugger.
That's 105 significant strikes to 41. 210 total strikes to 80.
The fight wasn't close even when you do NOT consider the ground fighting.
Diaz attempted 1 submission the whole fight, 1. A lazy kimura during a takedown, I am much more impressed with his brother's BJJ off his back than Nick's.
What did Diaz do to show that he even wanted or deserved to be there?


Hb31187
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Mar 21, 2013 10:21am
Might be the only GSP fan I've ever met. Well not really met, but ya know

Raw Dawgin' it
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Mar 21, 2013 10:32am
I'd say more Diaz hater than GSP fan.Hb31187;1410781 wrote:Might be the only GSP fan I've ever met. Well not really met, but ya know
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jmog
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Mar 22, 2013 10:38am
I like Diaz as a fighter but he is a douche of a person. Same with his brother. I think Nate is more exciting as a fighter and to be honest Nick last night looked like he did not want to fight. He was playing more for a decision than GSP and that is sad (it is quite obvious GSP was playing for a decision). I hate the fact that GSP fights like that but it is disengenuous to act like Diaz didn't do the same thing the other night. He threw far less strikes FAR less.Raw Dawgin' it;1410787 wrote:I'd say more Diaz hater than GSP fan.

bigdaddy2003
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Mar 22, 2013 10:49am
I can't stand the Diaz mentality. Nick said after the first or second round to his corner that "he fights like a bitch." I mean I'm not a GSP fan at all but he fights smart and you have to give him props for that. GSP usually puts me to sleep but I can admit he's a beast. I heard the same crap after the Condit/Diaz fight. People were saying Condit should've stood there and traded the whole fight like Diaz wanted to. It just irks me to see Nick or Nate taunt their opponent when they are losing and then talk shit at the end of the fight about how they didn't get hurt. It sounds like they both need to hit the streets looking for fights or maybe Nick should just switch to boxing.

Raw Dawgin' it
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Mar 22, 2013 10:53am
I think it's actually amazing that GSP makes these guys look terrible when they fight him. He has a way of exploiting a fighters weakness the entire fight and completely neutralizing them. I watch GSP fights to see him lose, but he has a way of making everyone look unprepared.jmog;1411629 wrote:I like Diaz as a fighter but he is a douche of a person. Same with his brother. I think Nate is more exciting as a fighter and to be honest Nick last night looked like he did not want to fight. He was playing more for a decision than GSP and that is sad (it is quite obvious GSP was playing for a decision). I hate the fact that GSP fights like that but it is disengenuous to act like Diaz didn't do the same thing the other night. He threw far less strikes FAR less.

bigdaddy2003
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Mar 22, 2013 11:09am
UFC just cut Lavar "Big" Johnson.
Andrei Arlovski and Rumble Johnson are fighting tomorrow night.
Andrei Arlovski and Rumble Johnson are fighting tomorrow night.
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jmog
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Mar 22, 2013 1:45pm
That's why I watch GSP. He out wrestled Koscheck. He out boxed Diaz. He out boxed and beat BJP in BJs guard.Raw Dawgin' it;1411636 wrote:I think it's actually amazing that GSP makes these guys look terrible when they fight him. He has a way of exploiting a fighters weakness the entire fight and completely neutralizing them. I watch GSP fights to see him lose, but he has a way of making everyone look unprepared.
He beats people at their strengths.

bigdaddy2003
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Mar 22, 2013 2:07pm
I'm sure you've voiced your opinion on this before but do you think he would do the same to Silva?jmog;1411728 wrote:That's why I watch GSP. He out wrestled Koscheck. He out boxed Diaz. He out boxed and beat BJP in BJs guard.
He beats people at their strengths.
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sportchampps
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Mar 22, 2013 2:20pm
[PHP][/PHP]Silva would knock GSP the fuck out and that's why GSP is afraid to fight him.
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jmog
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Mar 22, 2013 7:38pm
GSP is a better MMA wrestler than Sonnen so it would be interesting. If I had to bet my house on it I would go with Silva, but due to what we saw with Silva/Sonnen I believe GSP has a dang good chance. I would put it around 60/40 in favor of Silva.bigdaddy2003;1411743 wrote:I'm sure you've voiced your opinion on this before but do you think he would do the same to Silva?
But to directly answer the question, no. GSP would wrestle his ass off against Silva for 25 minutes or until he is finished. Silva is on a MUCH different level striking wise than ANYONE GSP has ever faced.
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sportchampps
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Mar 23, 2013 1:02am
Sonnen and GSP are pretty close in MMA wrestling skills. They are possibly 1-2 in the UFC when it comes to MMA wrestling but Sonnen is bigger physically compared to GSP if Sonnen couldn't do it GSP couldn't do it.

sportsfan24
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Mar 23, 2013 10:39am
Looks like GSP might be out with another with Achilles injury.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1576200-ufc-158-gsp-fought-nick-diaz-with-achilles-injury-could-be-gone-six-months
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1576200-ufc-158-gsp-fought-nick-diaz-with-achilles-injury-could-be-gone-six-months

Hb31187
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Mar 23, 2013 11:00am
Best case scenario is after GSP comes back from his injury , he sacks up and fights Silva and gets KTFO.
But I highly doubt him taking that fight
But I highly doubt him taking that fight

bigdaddy2003
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Mar 23, 2013 11:21am
If anyone has NBC Sports Andrei Arlovski is fighting Rumble Johnson tonight.

robj55
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Mar 23, 2013 12:01pm
Starts at 9:30, channel 220 on Directvbigdaddy2003;1412340 wrote:If anyone has NBC Sports Andrei Arlovski is fighting Rumble Johnson tonight.

OSH
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Mar 23, 2013 11:02pm
Watching.bigdaddy2003;1412340 wrote:If anyone has NBC Sports Andrei Arlovski is fighting Rumble Johnson tonight.
Bas Rutten is worse in interviews and with a mic than what Joe Rogan is. Shocking.

sportsfan24
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Mar 24, 2013 12:00am
Some pretty good fights on the WSOF card tonight.

bigdaddy2003
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Mar 25, 2013 1:54pm
Ha yes I mean at least Joe never messes up what weight classes people are in.OSH;1412846 wrote:Watching.
Bas Rutten is worse in interviews and with a mic than what Joe Rogan is. Shocking.

bigdaddy2003
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Mar 25, 2013 1:56pm
I can't wait for Gustafson/Mousasi.

Raw Dawgin' it
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Mar 25, 2013 2:50pm
Really? I'm pretty indifferent until Hendo/Melendez. Stoked for 159 though. WAR Chaelbigdaddy2003;1414177 wrote:I can't wait for Gustafson/Mousasi.

bigdaddy2003
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Mar 25, 2013 3:02pm
You think Gustafson/Mousasi is going to be a dud? Does WAR mean you think Chael will win? I'm not up on all of internet lingo. HaRaw Dawgin' it;1414211 wrote:Really? I'm pretty indifferent until Hendo/Melendez. Stoked for 159 though. WAR Chael

Raw Dawgin' it
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Mar 25, 2013 3:50pm
No I think that will be a good fight, but the next card I want to see is the Fox card. War Chael means I want him to win ha. I'd love for him to beat jones.bigdaddy2003;1414220 wrote:You think Gustafson/Mousasi is going to be a dud? Does WAR mean you think Chael will win? I'm not up on all of internet lingo. Ha

bigdaddy2003
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Mar 25, 2013 3:58pm
I guess by putting "I can't wait" it made it out like that it was the fight I was most excited for but I didn't mean it that way. It's just the next big fight and I wanted to see if there was going to be any discussion on it. I too would love for Chael to win. I don't think it's impossible like many do and it would make my night.Raw Dawgin' it;1414259 wrote:No I think that will be a good fight, but the next card I want to see is the Fox card. War Chael means I want him to win ha. I'd love for him to beat jones.

Raw Dawgin' it
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Mar 26, 2013 8:03am
Biggest thing Chael has going for him is he's fearless. He closes distance really well and i wouldn't be surprised if he got a take down or two. I've never seen Mousassi fight, but from what I've read he's streaky. I'd rather see Gus win and get him in with Jones.bigdaddy2003;1414272 wrote:I guess by putting "I can't wait" it made it out like that it was the fight I was most excited for but I didn't mean it that way. It's just the next big fight and I wanted to see if there was going to be any discussion on it. I too would love for Chael to win. I don't think it's impossible like many do and it would make my night.