jmog;1409599 wrote:No, watch it again, 2 or 3 minutes of each round was spent on the feet. Not just 1 minute. 12-13 minutes of the fight were on the feet and 12-13 were on the ground.

GSP out struck Diaz on the feet for those 12+ minutes as well.

With a jab, yes. Nick landed better strikes to the head and body, also won the clinch game with knees to the body. Doesn't matter because he didn't get the finish which he needed because he was controlled on the ground for so long. Did GSP landed more than 2 solid strikes all that time on the ground?

robj55;1409609 wrote:With a jab, yes. Nick landed better strikes to the head and body, also won the clinch game with knees to the body. Doesn't matter because he didn't get the finish which he needed because he was controlled on the ground for so long. Did GSP landed more than 2 solid strikes all that time on the ground?

Fightmetric doesn't agree with you and neither does the facts.

GSP landed more power shots to the head, more power shots to the body, and they both had 2 power shots to the legs.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/03/st-pierre-vs-diaz-official-ufc.html

Biased opinion clouding your judgment?

I mean 54 power shots landed to 26.

Even when you sort it by standing only, GSP had 13 power shots landed to Diaz's 9.

You guys LOVE Diaz's "punches in bunches" and when he throws a crap ton of soft jabs, but when GSP lands a crap ton of standing "soft jabs" its no good?

Fightmetric says that GSP landed 32 power strikes on the ground, 24 to the head, 8 to the body. He landed 129 total strikes on the ground, that is 10 strikes per minute of ground fighting.

I know it sucks when your favorite fighter gets beat by someone you hate, but at least look up the facts of the fight before making incorrect claims.

105 power/sig strikes to 41, but Diaz "landed better strikes"?
210 total landed strikes to 80.

GSP landed more strikes to every part of the body too, head, body, legs.

What else did he need to do to prove he dominated every aspect of the fight, even when at boxing distance that all the Diaz fans thought Diaz would dominate?

jmog;1409406 wrote:Hendricks ground game is ungodly, you don't win 2 NCAA championships and be a 4xAA at the NCAA level without being amazing on the ground.

I don't think he'll outwrestle GSP. Look at all the amazing wrestlers GSP has fought and none of them have come even close to dominating him in that area. GSP might even be able to make Canada's Olympic team if he wanted to.
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I think the smartest thing Diaz said in the post fight conference was that Hendricks was going to get worked. He doesn't have a diverse attack.

I want to see Nick vs Ellenberger or Maia. Or feed him to Rory.

I Wear Pants;1409644 wrote:I don't think he'll outwrestle GSP. Look at all the amazing wrestlers GSP has fought and none of them have come even close to dominating him in that area. GSP might even be able to make Canada's Olympic team if he wanted to.
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I think the smartest thing Diaz said in the post fight conference was that Hendricks was going to get worked. He doesn't have a diverse attack.

I want to see Nick vs Ellenberger or Maia. Or feed him to Rory.

I agree with you, but Hendricks would be the best wrestler GSP has ever fought in the Octagon. He has better pure wrestling credentials than Koscheck does.

I Wear Pants;1409644 wrote:I don't think he'll outwrestle GSP. Look at all the amazing wrestlers GSP has fought and none of them have come even close to dominating him in that area. GSP might even be able to make Canada's Olympic team if he wanted to.
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I think the smartest thing Diaz said in the post fight conference was that Hendricks was going to get worked. He doesn't have a diverse attack.

I want to see Nick vs Ellenberger or Maia. Or feed him to Rory.

I think he's lose to each one of them.

Man, is there anyone Nick wouldn't lose to?

jmog;1409641 wrote:Fightmetric doesn't agree with you and neither does the facts.

GSP landed more power shots to the head, more power shots to the body, and they both had 2 power shots to the legs.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/03/st-pierre-vs-diaz-official-ufc.html

Biased opinion clouding your judgment?

I mean 54 power shots landed to 26.

Even when you sort it by standing only, GSP had 13 power shots landed to Diaz's 9.

You guys LOVE Diaz's "punches in bunches" and when he throws a crap ton of soft jabs, but when GSP lands a crap ton of standing "soft jabs" its no good?

Fightmetric says that GSP landed 32 power strikes on the ground, 24 to the head, 8 to the body. He landed 129 total strikes on the ground, that is 10 strikes per minute of ground fighting.

I know it sucks when your favorite fighter gets beat by someone you hate, but at least look up the facts of the fight before making incorrect claims.

105 power/sig strikes to 41, but Diaz "landed better strikes"?
210 total landed strikes to 80.

GSP landed more strikes to every part of the body too, head, body, legs.

What else did he need to do to prove he dominated every aspect of the fight, even when at boxing distance that all the Diaz fans thought Diaz would dominate?

I'm just going off what my eyes told me, I know what the fightmetric stats say. No way GSP landed 32 power strikes on the ground, I saw maybe a max of 5 shots land cleanly on the ground. Nick blocked almost everything or made him miss on the ground. Nick landed the harder shots on the feet, punches to the body, knees to the body and better combinations. GSP landed the jab which Nick let him land half the time. No dispute from me, GSP did what he does to everyone, neutralizes him, hardly a dominating performance though. To me, dominating is what Jon Jones did to Shogun, or Machida did to Rashad. GSP controlled positionally, which is what he is great at. What I was impressed by was that he shut down every knee bar attempt, he seemed to be one step ahead on the ground, he obviously did his homework.

robj55;1409798 wrote:Man, is there anyone Nick wouldn't lose to?

Name 1 top WW in the UFC Nick has beat?

I love the fight in the Diaz brothers, but to be honest with yourself you have to realize Nick hasn't beat any real top fighters at WW.

I mean his last stint in the UFC he lost 3 in a row to Sherk, Riggs, and Sanchez. Then he beat up cans in EliteXC and Strikeforce for quite awhile with his best win ever being against Gomi, a LW who hasn't done much since joining the UFC.

He is entertaining, no doubt, and he has skills, but he hasn't beat anyone worth a crap in a LONG LONG time.

Please don't mention a retired BJP. Diaz can beat good LWs, but hasn't beat a good WW in many years.

robj55;1409801 wrote:I'm just going off what my eyes told me, I know what the fightmetric stats say. No way GSP landed 32 power strikes on the ground, I saw maybe a max of 5 shots land cleanly on the ground. Nick blocked almost everything or made him miss on the ground. Nick landed the harder shots on the feet, punches to the body, knees to the body and better combinations. GSP landed the jab which Nick let him land half the time. No dispute from me, GSP did what he does to everyone, neutralizes him, hardly a dominating performance though. To me, dominating is what Jon Jones did to Shogun, or Machida did to Rashad. GSP controlled positionally, which is what he is great at. What I was impressed by was that he shut down every knee bar attempt, he seemed to be one step ahead on the ground, he obviously did his homework.

So the people at fightmetric, who do that for a living, are wrong and you are right?

No way did GSP land 32 power shots on the ground?

You have high regard to the knees to the body Diaz landed in the clinch but ignore the hard knees to the body GSP landed on the ground?

You couldn't sound more biased unless you came out and said "Diaz should have got the decision".

GSP did more damage in every single round, he landed more strikes in every single round, and completely dominated on the ground.

The 2 places every Diaz fan assumed Diaz would have an advantage (on the feet and off his back) are two places that GSP dominated.

robj55;1409798 wrote:Man, is there anyone Nick wouldn't lose to?

I'd like to see him at LW. I just think in todays MMA that's dominated by wrestling, he's going to get out pointed and taken down too much. Nick vs. Cowboy, lets see that fight! I like the Diaz style and how they're fighters, but I don't think he has the size or tools to hang with the WW.

Diaz vs Kampmann would be a sick fight, i think he'd beat up Martin.

jmog;1409802 wrote:Name 1 top WW in the UFC Nick has beat?

I love the fight in the Diaz brothers, but to be honest with yourself you have to realize Nick hasn't beat any real top fighters at WW.

I mean his last stint in the UFC he lost 3 in a row to Sherk, Riggs, and Sanchez. Then he beat up cans in EliteXC and Strikeforce for quite awhile with his best win ever being against Gomi, a LW who hasn't done much since joining the UFC.

He is entertaining, no doubt, and he has skills, but he hasn't beat anyone worth a crap in a LONG LONG time.

Please don't mention a retired BJP. Diaz can beat good LWs, but hasn't beat a good WW in many years.

Those Sherk and Riggs fights were extremely close, and although he lost to Diego it was very entertaining in the scrambles, he didn't get dominated though. He hasn't had the opportunity to face some of these top guys for a while but he did knock out Paul Daley, who is one of the most feared strikers in MMA. He destroyed BJ Penn who was coming off a draw against Fitch. Knocked out Zarmomskis when he was near the top ten and coming off three strait head kick KO's. He nearly beat Condit, some people make an argument he won rounds 1,2 and 5 against him while Condit kicked and ran, something he has never done in his career. GSP is a tough match for anyone at WW and he lost handily but took minimal damage throughout. Give him some time to face some more guys and they we will make a judgement, I'd like to see him face the Kampmann and Ellenbergers of the UFC, but he needs time to prove he can beat them.

Raw Dawgin' it;1409892 wrote:I'd like to see him at LW. I just think in todays MMA that's dominated by wrestling, he's going to get out pointed and taken down too much. Nick vs. Cowboy, lets see that fight! I like the Diaz style and how they're fighters, but I don't think he has the size or tools to hang with the WW.

I don't think he can make LW, he is lean as hell at 170 already. While he doesn't have the physical strength of a guy like Hendricks(who cuts from 215) and other WW's, he makes up for it with technique and cardio. I mean he stuffed 7 of GSP's takedowns which I don't think anyone had ever done before.

I really wish that UFC would adopt a card system like other MMA organizations to stop fighters like GSP from simply looking at the clock, taking the opponent down and laying on them to eat away at time.

There were instances each round where GSP would take him down, and literally just hop over side to side not advancing position, not landing strikes just wasting clock. He fights smart, but is one of, if not THE most boring fighter in the UFC. And aside from him being a Canadian and having a huge draw from Canadian fans....no clue how he brings in the most viewers for his PPV's

Raw Dawgin' it;1409901 wrote:Diaz vs Kampmann would be a sick fight, i think he'd beat up Martin.

It would be a war while it lasted, Kampmann gets hit a ton early in fights and allows himself to be backed into the fence easily, that is a death trap against Nick.

Hb31187;1409922 wrote:I really wish that UFC would adopt a card system like other MMA organizations to stop fighters like GSP from simply looking at the clock, taking the opponent down and laying on them to eat away at time.

There were instances each round where GSP would take him down, and literally just hop over side to side not advancing position, not landing strikes just wasting clock. He fights smart, but is one of, if not THE most boring fighter in the UFC. And aside from him being a Canadian and having a huge draw from Canadian fans....no clue how he brings in the most viewers for his PPV's

They should implement some type of point deduction or warning system for stalling. People want to see action, which is why Nick keeps saying they need to do something about it like pride did. Maybe eliminate elbows on the ground so the guy is forced to posture up to create space to punch, which allows the guy on the bottom to try and get back too his feet or submit the guy. I would like to see the refs be more proactive as well in separating guys who are neutralizing each other either on the ground or in the stand up. Pick the pace of the fight up basically. Most of the time it's not a problem but sometimes you get big fights that disappoint because of this. GSP is a huge draw in Canada, rumors that this fight did close to a million PPV buys.

robj55;1409919 wrote:Those Sherk and Riggs fights were extremely close, and although he lost to Diego it was very entertaining in the scrambles, he didn't get dominated though. He hasn't had the opportunity to face some of these top guys for a while but he did knock out Paul Daley, who is one of the most feared strikers in MMA. He destroyed BJ Penn who was coming off a draw against Fitch. Knocked out Zarmomskis when he was near the top ten and coming off three strait head kick KO's. He nearly beat Condit, some people make an argument he won rounds 1,2 and 5 against him while Condit kicked and ran, something he has never done in his career. GSP is a tough match for anyone at WW and he lost handily but took minimal damage throughout. Give him some time to face some more guys and they we will make a judgement, I'd like to see him face the Kampmann and Ellenbergers of the UFC, but he needs time to prove he can beat them.

Close losses are still losses. You didn't come up with one top WW that he has beat.

He talked his way into a title fight just like Sonnen.

robj55;1409935 wrote:They should implement some type of point deduction or warning system for stalling. People want to see action, which is why Nick keeps saying they need to do something about it like pride did. Maybe eliminate elbows on the ground so the guy is forced to posture up to create space to punch, which allows the guy on the bottom to try and get back too his feet or submit the guy. I would like to see the refs be more proactive as well in separating guys who are neutralizing each other either on the ground or in the stand up. Pick the pace of the fight up basically. Most of the time it's not a problem but sometimes you get big fights that disappoint because of this. GSP is a huge draw in Canada, rumors that this fight did close to a million PPV buys.

Speaking of Pride rules, how about a 10 minute first round? That would change the way a ton of fights go down.

jmog;1409960 wrote:Close losses are still losses. You didn't come up with one top WW that he has beat.

He talked his way into a title fight just like Sonnen.

Paul Daley was top 10ish when he beat him, same with Zaromskis, same with BJ Penn. GSP asked for the fight, how is that talking your way into the fight? Can't even begin to compare him and Sonnen, Nick is real and authentic, Sonnen is rehearsed and a clown.

robj55;1409986 wrote:Paul Daley was top 10ish when he beat him, same with Zaromskis, same with BJ Penn. GSP asked for the fight, how is that talking your way into the fight? Can't even begin to compare him and Sonnen, Nick is real and authentic, Sonnen is rehearsed and a clown.

10ish I can buy for Daley at that time but not Zaromskis.

However, 10ish is not top 10. Diaz fans in general got dilusional in his skill level since he beat up a ton of cans in EliteXC and Strikeforce.

jmog;1409993 wrote:10ish I can buy for Daley at that time but not Zaromskis.

However, 10ish is not top 10. Diaz fans in general got dilusional in his skill level since he beat up a ton of cans in EliteXC and Strikeforce.

What is delusional about his skill level, high level stand up and bjj with the best cardio in MMA. Now he hasn't always been the best wrestler but he did stop 7 of GSP's takedowns which no one has ever done to my knowledge. He has gotten way better since that last stint in the UFC and has improved his wrestling quite a bit. I've seen links to where Zaromskis was fringe top 10 around that time, would have to look for them. Fact is, you can discredit almost everyone's resume. Who has Rory Macdonald beat? He beat Nate Diaz who he probably outweighed by 30 pounds. If you are going to discredit Nick's win over BJ then Rory's means absolutely nothing after a year off and getting his face smashed by Nick. Like I said, give him some time to fight some of these other guys and we will see how it goes. I have faith that he can beat guys like Kampmann, Marquardt, Ellenberger, Maia, etc., but we won't know until he gets a chance to.

robj55;1409999 wrote:What is delusional about his skill level, high level stand up and bjj with the best cardio in MMA. Now he hasn't always been the best wrestler but he did stop 7 of GSP's takedowns which no one has ever done to my knowledge. He has gotten way better since that last stint in the UFC and has improved his wrestling quite a bit. I've seen links to where Zaromskis was fringe top 10 around that time, would have to look for them. Fact is, you can discredit almost everyone's resume. Who has Rory Macdonald beat? He beat Nate Diaz who he probably outweighed by 30 pounds. If you are going to discredit Nick's win over BJ then Rory's means absolutely nothing after a year off and getting his face smashed by Nick. Like I said, give him some time to fight some of these other guys and we will see how it goes. I have faith that he can beat guys like Kampmann, Marquardt, Ellenberger, Maia, etc., but we won't know until he gets a chance to.

Sounds like he's just trolling you.

If his bjj was that good he would have got at least close to a submission if not pull it off.

If his boxing was that great how did he get beat in the standup by GSP if he is just the lay n pray artist you say he is?

I just get tired of the double standard. When Diaz lands 100+ significant strikes that were mostly jabs it is exciting. When GSP lands 100+ significant strikes against Diaz that included a lot of jabs the Diaz fans say "all he did was jab and lay n pray".

The hypocrisy is astounding.

jmog;1410015 wrote:If his bjj was that good he would have got at least close to a submission if not pull it off.

If his boxing was that great how did he get beat in the standup by GSP if he is just the lay n pray artist you say he is?

I just get tired of the double standard. When Diaz lands 100+ significant strikes that were mostly jabs it is exciting. When GSP lands 100+ significant strikes against Diaz that included a lot of jabs the Diaz fans say "all he did was jab and lay n pray".

The hypocrisy is astounding.

I don't recall calling him a lay n pray guy, what I said was that he controls and neutralizes his opponents, which is true. As far as the jab is concerned, they are used in two completely different ways regarding Nick and GSP. Nick uses his as a range finder to land hard combinations to hurt and finish his opponents, meanwhile GSP uses his only to disrupt the timing of a fighter so they are unable to close the distance on him and hit him with power. He throws no combinations off his jab, it is used strictly defensively, that is the difference and it is huge. I know GSP busted Koscheck's eye with a jab before you bring that up. If you watch the two men fight, they use it in entirely different context's. That is why people find Nick to be exciting and GSP not, one of the many reasons. All credit to Georges though he is a tremendous athlete and does what he has to to win. As far as Nick's bjj, he tried to roll under for the knee bar many times, but GSP blocked it, much easier to defend submissions than it is to land them. He showed that his bjj is the best that GSP has fought to date. He got to half guard ONE time, only briefly in 5 rounds, he attempted to take the back and few times and Nick got out of it and disallowed everytime. GSP couldn't get side control like he normally does and couldn't hold Nick in the same position, Nick was constantly escaping.

robj55;1410179 wrote:As far as the jab is concerned, they are used in two completely different ways regarding Nick and GSP. Nick uses his as a range finder to land hard combinations to hurt and finish his opponents, meanwhile GSP uses his only to disrupt the timing of a fighter so they are unable to close the distance on him and hit him with power. He throws no combinations off his jab, it is used strictly defensively, that is the difference and it is huge.

That is pure opinion and not fact at all.

I know GSP busted Koscheck's eye with a jab before you bring that up. If you watch the two men fight, they use it in entirely different context's. That is why people find Nick to be exciting and GSP not, one of the many reasons. All credit to Georges though he is a tremendous athlete and does what he has to to win. As far as Nick's bjj, he tried to roll under for the knee bar many times, but GSP blocked it, much easier to defend submissions than it is to land them. He showed that his bjj is the best that GSP has fought to date. He got to half guard ONE time, only briefly in 5 rounds, he attempted to take the back and few times and Nick got out of it and disallowed everytime. GSP couldn't get side control like he normally does and couldn't hold Nick in the same position, Nick was constantly escaping.

Is the rolling knee bar the only submission Nick knows? I've seen him use a few others, it's not like that was the only possible chance he had.

GSP also said exactly why he didn't take the back with hooks, it was because of the knee bar, it wasn't because Nick stopped him from doing it.

Nick landed, wait for it...41 significant strikes in 12-13 minutes of standup fighting. THat's about 3 strikes per minute.

GSP landed 73 significant strikes in those same 12-13 minutes, that's about 6 per minute. Do you really want to compare who did more damage standing?

Throw in GSP's 32 significant strikes on the ground (2-3 per minute on the ground) to Diaz's 0 and anyone who says that the damage done was close was not watching the same fight OR is a Diaz nut hugger.

That's 105 significant strikes to 41. 210 total strikes to 80.

The fight wasn't close even when you do NOT consider the ground fighting.

Diaz attempted 1 submission the whole fight, 1. A lazy kimura during a takedown, I am much more impressed with his brother's BJJ off his back than Nick's.

What did Diaz do to show that he even wanted or deserved to be there?