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Feb 6, 2012 2:36pm

jmog;1077053 wrote:I do not believe that moving forward automatically wins you the aggression battle.

Condit threw and landed a lot more strikes, and against either Diaz brother (who throw TONS of strikes) that is an accomplishment in itself. Condit threw, landed, and landed SIGNIFICANT (aka power) strikes at a better pace than Diaz.

Look at Diaz's face after the fight and look at Condits, who was beaten up and who had some redness only?

Also, circling away is not the same as backing up. In wrestling you are not called for stalling if you are returning to the center of the ring, even if that includes circling or backing up. Diaz would stalk while Condit threw strikes, whenever it would end up at the cage Condit would circle out and return to the middle of the Octagon.

If you blame Condit for not playing into Diaz's game of letting himself get pinned against the cage, then isn't it also Diaz's fault for not wanting to stay in the middle of the ring which is where Condit wanted it?

Every possible fight metric used, Condit wins, except for personal opinions.

I had Diaz winning 2 rounds, and even though I gave him round 5 for the TD and superior position, can we please stop with the "almost finished the fight" crap? Anyone who has ever taken BJJ knows that Condit was defending the submissions perfectly and Diaz was never close to a RNC or an armbar. He was definitely working for those, but it was NEVER close.

The power strikes that Condit threw would have KO or TKO'd most fighters, Diaz just has an amazing chin. With the number of power strikes, flying knees, spinning backfists, elbows, head kicks, there is NO WAY you can say he wasn't just as aggressive as Diaz and he was NOT point fighting.

Again, walking forward does not win you the aggression part of the fight automatically, you have to out strike the guy your walking towards.

Also, at every one of those cage instances where Condit circled out, he landed vicious power strikes, many to the body. So lets not act like he was just running out, he struck his way out of those instances.

I actually wanted Diaz to win that fight because I wanted to see a Diaz/GSP fight. However, I just have to laugh at the whining by the Diaz fans.

And please lets not compare this to Shogun/Machida 1 again, Machida got ate alive and his face showed it in that fight. THAT was a controversial decision. Pure damage wasn't even close in the Diaz/Condit fight. Look at the two fighters afterwards.

Reps.

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jmog

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Feb 6, 2012 2:52pm

I will say this.

After the fight I said "Condit won 3-2, but the judges for the AC's are typically retarded so they may give this to Diaz alone for walking forward the whole time".

I'm glad to see that the judges actually got this one right, now if we could only get them to understand that being on top doesn't necessarily mean you are winning a fight. Unfortunately if someone beautifully pulls guard (similar to Big Nog vs Tim Sylvia) and then happens to work positions and try various submissiosn the whole round while the guy on top is defending...I'm sorry, but the guy on bottom should win that round. Unfortunately the retarded judges would give the round to the guy on top.

Unfortunately the only way to win a fight from the bottom is to actually finish it with a submission.

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Feb 6, 2012 2:55pm

Which is sad. I wish they would look back at fights like the Bas/Randleman fight. If that was a 3 round fight like today Randleman would get the first for getting the takedown and doing damage. But then Bas would get the last two because yes he got taken down but Randleman did nothing at all while Bas was punching and elbowing and opening cuts on Kevin's head.

I hope eventually we'll get to the point where judges actually know what they're watching.

Raw Dawgin' it

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Feb 6, 2012 2:59pm

I think retired fighters should be judges. Liddel, Cotoure, Hughes, etc etc guys with knowledge from being in fights.

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Feb 6, 2012 3:04pm

Problem is they would have a clear bias towards their style of fight or towards fighters they train with/affiliate with.

The atletic comissions just need to train their guys better.

Raw Dawgin' it

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Feb 6, 2012 3:20pm

I Wear Pants;1077412 wrote:Problem is they would have a clear bias towards their style of fight or towards fighters they train with/affiliate with.

The atletic comissions just need to train their guys better.

how do you know judges and refs don't have a bias right now? I don't think that's a fair argument. I honestly believe they could find enough former fighters to put in without a conflict of interest.

But yes, 100% agree they need to educate current judges

Fab1b

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Feb 6, 2012 3:26pm

I had Condit winning

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Feb 6, 2012 3:44pm

Raw Dawgin' it;1077446 wrote:how do you know judges and refs don't have a bias right now? I don't think that's a fair argument. I honestly believe they could find enough former fighters to put in without a conflict of interest.

But yes, 100% agree they need to educate current judges

I don't. But you're kidding yourself if you think we're ever going to be able to not use commission judges. MMA isn't even legal in all states yet and that's with commission judges.

Training the judges better is the realistic solution.

Raw Dawgin' it

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Feb 6, 2012 3:52pm

Why can't a former fighter do what he needs to do to become a judge? What about refs becoming judges? They know the rules better than anyone.

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Feb 6, 2012 3:53pm

Raw Dawgin' it;1077518 wrote:Why can't a former fighter do what he needs to do to become a judge? What about refs becoming judges? They know the rules better than anyone.

I don't really know the process that the commissions use to license judges.

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sportchampps

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Feb 6, 2012 4:23pm

The problem right now is that commissions are not giving licenses to any new judges or refs right now. They make the argument that there isn't enough fights now to need anyone new. This is the kind of logic that will set mma back. It's a good old boy system just like boxing.

Leonardo

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Feb 7, 2012 3:04pm

Upcoming cards with big fights listed:

UFC on FUEL TV 1: February 15th on Fuel TV from Omaha, Nebraska
Diego Sanchez vs. Jake Ellenberger
Stefan Struve vs. Dave Herman

UFC 144 - February 25th on PPV from Saitama, Japan
Frank Edgar (c) vs. Ben Henderson for Lightweight Title
Quinton Jackson vs. Ryan Bader
Cheick Kongo vs. Mark Hunt
Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Jake Shields
Anthony Pettis vs. Joe Lauzon
Yushin Okami vs. Tim Boetsch

UFC on FX 2 - March 3rd on FX from Sydney, Australia
Thiago Alves vs. Martin Kampmann
Joseph Benavidez vs. Yasuhiro Urushitani
Demetrious Johnson vs. Ian McCall

UFC on FUEL TV 2 - April 14th on FUEL TV from Stockholm, Sweden
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Alexander Gustafsson
Brian Stann vs. Alessio Sakara
Deigo Nunes vs. Dennis Siver

UFC 145 - April 21st on PPV from Atlanta, Georgia
Jon Jones (c) vs. Rashad Evans for Light Heavyweight Title
Brendan Schaub vs. Ben Rothwell
Rory McDonald vs. Che Miles

UFC on FOX 3 - May 5th on FOX from East Rutherford, New Jersey
Nate Diaz vs. Jim Miller

UFC on FX 3 - May 15th on FOX from Fairfax, Virginia
Jason MacDonald vs. Tom Lawlor

End of Line

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Feb 7, 2012 10:34pm

Condit has agreed to a rematch with Diaz.

Fab1b

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Feb 7, 2012 10:44pm

Link crosby? Not saying it isn't true just not seeing it on mmajunkie, yahoo?

Cesar thinks Nick will take time off and return possible end of year or 2013
http://mmajunkie.com/news/27331/cesar-gracie-envisions-a-nick-diaz-return-to-ufc-but-says-fighter-deserves-time-off.mma

robj55

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Feb 8, 2012 12:39am

From what I have seen Carlos wanted the rematch.

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Feb 8, 2012 12:54am

Dana tweeted that Carlos agreed to it. We'll see if Nick does.

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Feb 8, 2012 1:08am

Fab1b;1079161 wrote:Link crosby? Not saying it isn't true just not seeing it on mmajunkie, yahoo?

Cesar thinks Nick will take time off and return possible end of year or 2013
http://mmajunkie.com/news/27331/cesar-gracie-envisions-a-nick-diaz-return-to-ufc-but-says-fighter-deserves-time-off.mma

Here's the link.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/383512/Condit-accepts-rematch-with-Diaz/

Raw Dawgin' it

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Feb 8, 2012 10:14am

that'd be fucking sweet. I wonder if Diaz will change his plan and not chase Condit down the entire time.

Fab1b

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Feb 8, 2012 10:30am

Thanks just reading it. If GSP isn't returning to fall it makes $$ sense but IMO Condit has nothing to gain from this he won that fight!

Raw Dawgin' it

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Feb 8, 2012 10:32am

Fab1b;1079522 wrote:Thanks just reading it. If GSP isn't returning to fall it makes $$ sense but IMO Condit has nothing to gain from this he won that fight!

Not much different than Rua and Machida.

Raw Dawgin' it

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Feb 8, 2012 10:39am

Also, if they accept the fight, everyone will be saying "this is just the UFCs way of trying to get the fight they want again, Diaz vs GSP"

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Feb 8, 2012 12:28pm

Raw Dawgin' it;1079523 wrote:Not much different than Rua and Machida.

Except that decision was actually a mistake. Rua won the first fight.

Diaz didn't.

robj55

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Feb 8, 2012 12:46pm

I Wear Pants;1079659 wrote:Except that decision was actually a mistake. Rua won the first fight.

Diaz didn't.

When did you become the end all be all when it comes to decisions? Just curious.

Raw Dawgin' it

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Feb 8, 2012 1:10pm

I Wear Pants;1079659 wrote:Except that decision was actually a mistake. Rua won the first fight.

Diaz didn't.

and some people say this decision was a mistake, what's your point?

Raw Dawgin' it

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Feb 8, 2012 1:11pm

I don't want to rehash the Diaz Condit fight, but when a fight has this much controversy around it, it deserves a rematch, just like Rua and Machida for the exact same reason. That fight was highly controversial.