NWIndianNation01
Posts: 996
Feb 5, 2012 8:38am
REPS!Raw Dawgin' it;1075611 wrote:that punk had won 11 straight wins and was coming off whooping BJ Penns ass. Nate gets a title shot if he beats Jim Miller. If their trash talk takes their opponent out of their game and lets them impose theirs, why not do it? If you fall into their trap and get beat then that's your fault for not sticking to your game plan. Condit did a great job of not letting diaz get into his head
OSH
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Feb 5, 2012 11:18am
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Zombaypirate
Posts: 581
Feb 5, 2012 11:29am
IF? really IF? IF ands and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a Merry Christmas.Raw Dawgin' it;1075611 wrote:that punk had won 11 straight wins and was coming off whooping BJ Penns ass. Nate gets a title shot if he beats Jim Miller. If their trash talk takes their opponent out of their game and lets them impose theirs, why not do it? If you fall into their trap and get beat then that's your fault for not sticking to your game plan. Condit did a great job of not letting diaz get into his head
Wow that impressive 11 are all HOF's Runs into Condit and loses good riddance
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Feb 5, 2012 11:32am
I see both sides.
I'll continue to follow MMA and the Diaz brothers. Love them or hate them I'd pay bigger money to see them fight then most in the UFC.
I'd like to see a rematch of Condit/Diaz as well. I take nothing away from Condit. He executed his game plan to a T and came away with a controversial decision. No sense in whining about it what is done is done.
I'll continue to follow MMA and the Diaz brothers. Love them or hate them I'd pay bigger money to see them fight then most in the UFC.
I'd like to see a rematch of Condit/Diaz as well. I take nothing away from Condit. He executed his game plan to a T and came away with a controversial decision. No sense in whining about it what is done is done.
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Feb 5, 2012 11:34am
Not a fan of the Diaz's. Never have been.
But, I do know that Roy Nelson has 3 losses in his last 4 fights. All have been by unanimous decisions. That's unfortunate. He's a fun fighter. He fights. He just needs to finish them OR figure out a way to win the decisions.
He'll still continue being a crowd favorite in going the distance with these guys while also taking a beating.
But, I do know that Roy Nelson has 3 losses in his last 4 fights. All have been by unanimous decisions. That's unfortunate. He's a fun fighter. He fights. He just needs to finish them OR figure out a way to win the decisions.
He'll still continue being a crowd favorite in going the distance with these guys while also taking a beating.
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Feb 5, 2012 11:37am
And props to Roy Nelson, that knee in the first round would have rearranged my face for good.
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Zombaypirate
Posts: 581
Feb 5, 2012 12:17pm
Roy Nelson is a beast and he has fought some of the top hvy's in the world since being in the UFC. Wonder what would happen if he lost enough to make it to 205? The blobs of fat cannot be what makes him tough.
gerb131
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Feb 5, 2012 12:27pm
He'd be a monster at 205 if that big of a drop didnt kill him physcially. He's what 245 now?Zombaypirate;1075754 wrote:Roy Nelson is a beast and he has fought some of the top hvy's in the world since being in the UFC. Wonder what would happen if he lost enough to make it to 205? The blobs of fat cannot be what makes him tough.
Enforcer
Posts: 2,140
Feb 5, 2012 1:17pm
246 last night
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Feb 5, 2012 1:29pm
Just an ignorant statement, no one comes to fight like the Diaz brothers. Natural Born Killer my ass. Condit basically said in the post fight presser that if he would have actually fought Nick that he would have won. Greg Jackson point fighting.Zombaypirate;1075602 wrote:Hopefully Diaz is a man of his word and stays quit. While he is at it he can take his brother with him. Who needs punks that run their mouths more than they fight.
End of Line
Posts: 6,867
Feb 5, 2012 2:21pm
I personally had Diaz winning rounds 1,2,5 and Condit with 3 and 4. The fight reminded me of Machida/Shogun I with how Machida and Condit would keep backing away...
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Feb 5, 2012 2:22pm
Yea the Shogun/Machida fight was the one I kept modeling this fight after.The_Crosby_Show;1075848 wrote:I personally had Diaz winning rounds 1,2,5 and Condit with 3 and 4. The fight reminded me of Machida/Shogun I with how Machida and Condit would keep backing away...
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Feb 5, 2012 2:27pm
A TON of professional fighters on twitter said that Nick got robbed too. Cesar Gracie tweeted that Anderson Silva and Chuck Liddell said Nick won as well sitting cage side. Oh well, Nick is the superior fighter, Carlos turned into a point fighter like the rest of Jacksons. Carlos said before the fight he was going to "bury this mother fucker", lol.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Feb 5, 2012 2:30pm
Exactly how I scored it. Round one the striking was even striking but Nick was clearly the aggressor and landed better combinations. Round 2 was the same with Nick out landing Carlos. Round 3 was close but I though Carlos did enough to win that round. Round 4 was Carlos's best round and round 5 was clearly Nick's, secured the take down and almost subbed him twice with a rnc and armbar which was the most dominant position of the fight. Whining won't change the outcome but that was frustrating.The_Crosby_Show;1075848 wrote:I personally had Diaz winning rounds 1,2,5 and Condit with 3 and 4. The fight reminded me of Machida/Shogun I with how Machida and Condit would keep backing away...
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Feb 5, 2012 2:58pm
The only argument I would make is that 50% of the leg kicks condit threw were push kicks to keep Diaz at bay not kicks to due damage. The other problem I had was 2 judges scoring it 49-46.
robj55
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Feb 5, 2012 6:46pm
gerb131
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Feb 5, 2012 6:48pm
Fantastic.robj55;1076128 wrote:
gerb131
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Feb 5, 2012 6:48pm
Good point.sportchampps;1075889 wrote:The only argument I would make is that 50% of the leg kicks condit threw were push kicks to keep Diaz at bay not kicks to due damage. The other problem I had was 2 judges scoring it 49-46.
robj55
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Feb 5, 2012 7:21pm
robj55
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Feb 5, 2012 7:26pm
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I Wear Pants
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Feb 5, 2012 10:30pm
Just like Diaz, his fans can't take a loss.
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I Wear Pants
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Feb 5, 2012 10:32pm
The only time he was "running" was when he got backed into the cage and circled towards the center like a skilled, intelligent fighter instead of going "oh, I'm against the cage I better let Nick punch me a bunch".NWIndianNation01;1075609 wrote:Before I comment on the Diaz fight, I just want to say something about the Big Country fight. I can't stand Big Country but that dude HAS the strongest chin in all of MMA. Nobody should be able to take that kind of punishment and still pursue their opponent. I give him mad credit for that fight. Although I don't like the guy, I do enjoy watching him in the cage. (However, I did think it was a joke that they kept talking that he would get a title shot with a win.)
In regards to the Condit/Diaz fight:
1. First and foremost, I am perfectly okay with the decision. It was a close fight, but can easily see how the judges gave Condit the win. Not going to try to argue that Diaz won, although, wouldn't have been surprised if they gave him the win.
2. Literally RUNNING in the opposite direction is not footwork. Footwork would be having the the ability to stand in front of Diaz and NOT get hit...more shuffling to the sides...not RUNNING like a scared little kid.
3. I don't think Condit came in trying to outpoint Diaz, but rather just ended up that way. There were too many vicious attempts for him to be in there just trying to outpoint him. Didn't see it that way at all. Diaz is just elusive to vicious attacks...in general.
4. REMATCH! Come on, it was easily close enough to have a rematch before the winner gets GSP. Plenty of time as well. Who else should have a shot at Condit before he gets GSP? Hopefully Diaz will reconsider the leaving MMA thing. I know he is a boxer at heart, but he brings so much to MMA.
5. The Diaz brothers are an act....they act all BA for the attention, similar to Sonnen's antics. I read an article somewhere that says both brothers are pretty laid back, easy going guys when the cameras are off.
The Diaz whiners are usually the ones saying things like "well maybe he shouldn't have let Nick push him around or bother him with taunting". Condit didn't and the same argument can be made "well maybe Diaz shouldn't have let Carlos kick him in the leg and head so much and should have checked maybe just one kick?".
There shouldn't be a rematch for this.
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I Wear Pants
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Feb 5, 2012 10:36pm
It wouldn't kill him. He has enough fat he could easily get down to 205 if he wanted to and it wouldn't be unhealthy at all. He's only 6'.gerb131;1075758 wrote:He'd be a monster at 205 if that big of a drop didnt kill him physcially. He's what 245 now?
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Feb 5, 2012 10:41pm
Hes not nearly quick enough for good 205'ers
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Feb 5, 2012 10:41pm
Roy's problem isn't his weight, it's that he has fallen in love with his right hand. He is overly reliant on that because he has knocked a few guys out and has become one dimensional.I Wear Pants;1076606 wrote:It wouldn't kill him. He has enough fat he could easily get down to 205 if he wanted to and it wouldn't be unhealthy at all. He's only 6'.