i saw that benjamin and maybe massquio is coming back this week? if so what does that do with cooper? or do they carry them all.

Just trade Little for a bag of black licorice. They're both fucking terrible so it'd be an even trade.

Bunch of good stuff here....

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2012/10/cleveland_browns_oc_brad_child.html#incart_river

shook_17;1298649 wrote:i saw that benjamin and maybe massquio is coming back this week? if so what does that do with cooper? or do they carry them all.

Way to go dude!!!!

I say keep cooper.

@AdamSchefter: Even with changes coming in Cleveland, looks like Browns nailed the supplemental draft, hitting on WR Josh Gordon. Big-time playmaker.

@nfldraftscout: Watched a lot of Josh Gordon yesterday. It's time for him to get max reps. Best playmaker outside of Trent Richardson. Steal for #Browns

@4for4_Josh: Josh Gordon #1 in NFL with 22.8 yards per catch. Mike Williams 2nd (not the fat one) with 22.1 yards per catch.

@YahooNoise: Semi-aroused. Said before, love the skill set. Becoming CLE's true No. 1 RT @gurfb Josh Gordon giving you inappropriate feelings yet?

@jsbrownsinsider: #Browns Browns: Josh Gordon has been turning opponents' heads (with video)

I like the progress he has made so far....but until he is doing this consistently and after teams start keying on him, I am still skeptical.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/10/fullback_owen_marecic_wants_to.html

I expect Hardesty to see a bit of work this Sunday with Richardson still being dinged up.

like_that;1298835 wrote:Way to go dude!!!!

I say keep cooper.

But I agree I hope they keep copper around. We already what we have in massaquio

BR1986FB;1298876 wrote:I expect Hardesty to see a bit of work this Sunday with Richardson still being dinged up.

if that is the case, i expect to see hardesty get injured again

Trich should just suck it up and go out and play. Which I fully expect him to do Sunday.

shook_17;1298923 wrote:Trich should just suck it up and go out and play. Which I fully expect him to do Sunday.

Oh, he's gonna play. He's just dinged up pretty good.

Supposedly rumors floating around that Pinkston may be suffering some sort of ailment that could be career ending?

^^^no joke? That's crazy. Hopefully greco can keep stepping it up

shook_17;1298934 wrote:^^^no joke? That's crazy. Hopefully greco can keep stepping it up

Greco should've been the starter to begin with over one of those two (Pinky or Lauvao).

BR1986FB;1298938 wrote:Greco should've been the starter to begin with over one of those two (Pinky or Lauvao).

ANd of course the better of those two is the one injured/out....

BR1986FB;1298930 wrote:Oh, he's gonna play. He's just dinged up pretty good.

Supposedly rumors floating around that Pinkston may be suffering some sort of ailment that could be career ending?

Pretty ironic that he trained with Bentley over the summer.

like_that;1298955 wrote:Pretty ironic that he trained with Bentley over the summer.

I was thinking the same thing.

BR1986FB;1298930 wrote:Oh, he's gonna play. He's just dinged up pretty good.

Supposedly rumors floating around that Pinkston may be suffering some sort of ailment that could be career ending?

Staph?

jmog;1298982 wrote:Staph?

Worse from what I heard.

OQB;1298868 wrote:http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/10/fullback_owen_marecic_wants_to.html

Brad Childress shows us why he is not a good NFL coach... "I never saw a snap of him," Childress said. "I got off a cruise boat and somebody said, 'We signed Josh Gordon,' and I said, 'Who's Josh Gordon?' "

Simply classic...

BR1986FB;1298983 wrote:Worse from what I heard.

Any details?

BR1986FB;1298983 wrote:Worse from what I heard.

go on...

That's to badI had high hopes for him. Hope for a quick recovery

I'm sure everyone has heard but Pinkston has bloot clots in his lung and will be out for awhile.

Heard an interesting point made today in the car on the way home about why Haslam and Banner almost have to fire Shurmur short of him finishing .500% or better.

If they give him a 1 year reprieve like Holmgren did Mangini, then at the start of next year should we come out of the gate at 1-3, 2-4 or something like that (we are notoriously slow starting) then we are all going to be on Shurmur Death watch by week 5-6 and the season is highly likely to spin out of control.

If Banner hires a new coach and we start slow, it is not the end of the world as no one is expecting a new coach to be fired at the end of the season short of going 0-16.

If Shurmur starts slow, suddenly it mushrooms into management having made the wrong decision just like with Mangini, and what week is he getting fired, and the narrative turns toxic immediately.

Not to mention we would be back at a "second first year" scenario again the year after which may make Browns fans want to blow their collective brains out.

There will be pressure on the team to continue showing improvement next year, but if Shurmur is given a 1 year try-out like Mangini got it just ramps it up that much more because the team and fan base know that if they get out slow then Shurmur is gone and major changes are coming.

Holmgren's credibility flew out the window when he had to fire Mangini after that first year as it basically was an indictment on his management ability with such a big flub right out of the box.

If Banner does the same thing it will similarly undercut his credibility if he has to fire Shurmur like Holmgren did keeping him on a year 2 long. Those guys make millions of dollars to know ahead of time whether it is or is not a fit.

Making a huge miss like that on your first big decision is hard to get out from underneath, which is why they need to just start over now with a clean slate.