wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Mar 15, 2012 5:13pm
Tannehill is every bit as big of a reach that Ponder was last year. I would be so disappointed if they took him at 4
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 15, 2012 5:15pm
Colt McCoy - QB - Browns
After listening to team president Mike Holmgren and GM Tom Heckert on Thursday's conference call, the Cleveland Plain Dealer's Mary Kay Cabot "gets the feeling" the Browns are prepared to turn back to Colt McCoy as the quarterback in 2012.
"We think Colt has a big ceiling," said Heckert. "It's my job to get him better players." Despite their previous waffling on the subject, both officials now believe it's too early to write off McCoy. Holmgren will try to "discourage" Heckert from trading down at No. 4 overall. McCoy will have to be supported by a strong running game, lending credence to the belief that Alabama's Trent Richardson could be the Browns' top pick rather than Ryan Tannehill.
Related: Ryan Tannehill, Trent Richardson
After listening to team president Mike Holmgren and GM Tom Heckert on Thursday's conference call, the Cleveland Plain Dealer's Mary Kay Cabot "gets the feeling" the Browns are prepared to turn back to Colt McCoy as the quarterback in 2012.
"We think Colt has a big ceiling," said Heckert. "It's my job to get him better players." Despite their previous waffling on the subject, both officials now believe it's too early to write off McCoy. Holmgren will try to "discourage" Heckert from trading down at No. 4 overall. McCoy will have to be supported by a strong running game, lending credence to the belief that Alabama's Trent Richardson could be the Browns' top pick rather than Ryan Tannehill.
Related: Ryan Tannehill, Trent Richardson
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Mar 15, 2012 5:36pm
I'm fine with the Browns' moves so far. Needed DL depth and got two solid players. Not groundbreaking moves, but good ones.
I think I'd be fine with Trent at 4. I'd rather have him than Blackmon. I'd like to see the Browns target Stephen Hill with their second pick. 6'4' WR who ran a 4.3 40.
I'd also be fine giving Colt one more year WITH some weapons to prove his worth.
I think I'd be fine with Trent at 4. I'd rather have him than Blackmon. I'd like to see the Browns target Stephen Hill with their second pick. 6'4' WR who ran a 4.3 40.
I'd also be fine giving Colt one more year WITH some weapons to prove his worth.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 15, 2012 5:42pm
In other words 'We're stuck."Dr. KnOiTaLL;1117499 wrote:Colt McCoy - QB - Browns
After listening to team president Mike Holmgren and GM Tom Heckert on Thursday's conference call, the Cleveland Plain Dealer's Mary Kay Cabot "gets the feeling" the Browns are prepared to turn back to Colt McCoy as the quarterback in 2012.
"We think Colt has a big ceiling," said Heckert. "It's my job to get him better players." Despite their previous waffling on the subject, both officials now believe it's too early to write off McCoy. Holmgren will try to "discourage" Heckert from trading down at No. 4 overall. McCoy will have to be supported by a strong running game, lending credence to the belief that Alabama's Trent Richardson could be the Browns' top pick rather than Ryan Tannehill.
Related: Ryan Tannehill, Trent Richardson
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 15, 2012 5:52pm
Technically it would be a 1st (the #6) and two 2nds.SportsAndLady;1116906 wrote:It would have costed us 3 first round picks to move from #4 to #2, but we're only going to get two second round picks to move from #4 to #6?
So much for Rucker getting the keys to the car haha.Commander of Awesome;1117415 wrote:Mary Kay Cabot ‏ @MaryKayCabot Juqua Parker agrees to terms with Browns, 1 year $3 mill max,
Championship.
Completely agree with that. More average depth signings. Nothing special.Commander of Awesome;1117423 wrote:Matt Williamson ‏ @WilliamsonNFL The #Browns DL getting better/deeper, but not much more dynamic
I really hope the Browns aren't committing to Patterson as the starting CB opposite of Haden.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 15, 2012 5:58pm
Rucker & Sheard will start. Parker, Marcus Bernard & Jayme Mitchell will be in the rotation.Mulva;1117583 wrote:
So much for Rucker getting the keys to the car haha.
The Rucker signing, imo, was more for stopping the run than a pass rush. He's very good in run support and a "so so" pass rusher. Jayme Mitchell was not good at stopping the run.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 15, 2012 6:01pm
Or rushing the passer.BR1986FB;1117598 wrote:Jayme Mitchell was not good at stopping the run.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 15, 2012 6:03pm
Mary Kay Cabot ‏ @
MaryKayCabot
# Browns might be
done in free agency. Maybe a straggler or two later, maybe not.
MaryKayCabot
# Browns might be
done in free agency. Maybe a straggler or two later, maybe not.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Mar 15, 2012 6:11pm
That eliminates drafting defense I would guess then because we have no RB's, no receivers, and without free agency it means they are all going to have to come through the draft.BR1986FB;1117607 wrote:Mary Kay Cabot ‏ @
MaryKayCabot
# Browns might be
done in free agency. Maybe a straggler or two later, maybe not.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Mar 15, 2012 6:13pm
GroundHog Day the movie welcomes you to the Cleveland Browns. smhIggyPride00;1117478 wrote:Peter King tweeted this today.
It is looking increasingly likely that if the Browns want Tannehill, they will have to do it at 4 because Jacksonville is talking about selling their pick at 7 to any team that wants him if he is on the board.
With all the QB's in free agency off the board it is looking more and more like another year with Wallace/McCoy, and maybe a 37 year old Hassleback.
None of those 3 offer any long term potential at the position, which is unnacceptable heading into year 3 of the rebuild.
Are we really going to be waiting until year 4 of the rebuild to find a way to get someone in there that offers us more than a 1-2 year stop gap at the position?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 15, 2012 6:14pm
Take that with a grain of salt. I posted it because it was funny. We're talking about MKC here. This is like you or me saying..."it might rain tomorrow, but then again...it may be sunny, or maybe snow?"IggyPride00;1117621 wrote:That eliminates drafting defense I would guess then because we have no RB's, no receivers, and without free agency it means they are all going to have to come through the draft.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 15, 2012 6:38pm
Ok, so knowing what we know now:
Assuming we plan on rolling with McCoy like Holgrem says we're going to, and knowing the free agent signings we've made, who do we take at 4, 22, 37?
Assuming we plan on rolling with McCoy like Holgrem says we're going to, and knowing the free agent signings we've made, who do we take at 4, 22, 37?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 15, 2012 6:41pm
I dont understand why we're not at least talking to Steve Smith or Early Doucett's agent. That would enable us to not depend on MoMass who is always hurt this season. Seems to make sense, not sure why we're not.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 15, 2012 6:48pm
Was wondering the same about those two. Relying on draft picks is a recipe for another disaster. Need one vet.Commander of Awesome;1117644 wrote:I dont understand why we're not at least talking to Steve Smith or Early Doucett's agent. That would enable us to not depend on MoMass who is always hurt this season. Seems to make sense, not sure why we're not.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Mar 15, 2012 6:51pm
Mike Adams on his way to Denver.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 15, 2012 7:02pm
I almost destroyed my TV having to look at Mangini on ESPN...
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Mar 15, 2012 7:06pm
this is why we will be a 4 win team next yearBR1986FB;1117648 wrote:Was wondering the same about those two. Relying on draft picks is a recipe for another disaster. Need one vet.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 15, 2012 7:08pm
Is that why the Packers and Giants won the SB these past 2 seasons?shook_17;1117667 wrote:this is why we will be a 4 win team next year
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 15, 2012 7:10pm
I think you're being generous.shook_17;1117667 wrote:this is why we will be a 4 win team next year
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 15, 2012 7:10pm
Remember that big name FA the steelers, giants, packers signed that put them over for the SB? Me either.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 15, 2012 7:15pm
Whether they bring in a vet WR or not, I'm skeptical this team wins 4 games.Commander of Awesome;1117673 wrote:Remember that big name FA the steelers, giants, packers signed that put them over for the SB? Me either.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 15, 2012 7:24pm
lol you are ridiculousshook_17;1117667 wrote:this is why we will be a 4 win team next year
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Mar 15, 2012 7:29pm
All 3 of those teams have 1st round draft picks at QB, not journey men mid round draft picks.Commander of Awesome;1117673 wrote:Remember that big name FA the steelers, giants, packers signed that put them over for the SB? Me either.
2 of them, (Steelers & Giants) had 1st round #1 Receivers to throw the ball to.
In Cleveland we have no elite receivers, no QB, and no RB's.
Those teams might have built through the draft as well, but did not do so by neglecting entirely 1 side of the ball and expect to win regardless.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 15, 2012 7:32pm
If you thought it was going to take Heckert 2 drafts to build this team, you are just kidding yourself. How many guys are left on the roster from when Mangini/Kokinis came into town?IggyPride00;1117691 wrote:All 3 of those teams have 1st round draft picks at QB, not journey men mid round draft picks.
2 of them, (Steelers & Giants) had 1st round #1 Receivers to throw the ball to.
In Cleveland we have no elite receivers, no QB, and no RB's.
Those teams might have built through the draft as well, but did not do so by neglecting entirely 1 side of the ball and expect to win regardless.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 15, 2012 7:36pm
It's amazing. The regime laid out their plans. Literally have stuck to them, and people are pissed that we aren't doing the opposite. It hasn't been 5 YEARS, QUIT FREAKING OUT.