Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 14, 2012 9:30pm
Yeah, an even bigger knock if it's true! lolMulva;1116599 wrote:Limited upside as a passer seems like a pretty significant knock for a quarterback.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Mar 14, 2012 10:00pm
I'd take a look at Gallery for the right price.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 14, 2012 10:03pm
He would instantly become a Dawg Pound favorite. I can picture the wigs as we speak.lhslep134;1116661 wrote:I'd take a look at Gallery for the right price.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Mar 15, 2012 12:16am
Saw this mentioned on the OBR, but it is kind of true as well as being mind boggling.
We may be worse at the QB/WR/RB position than any other team in the league, and that is all on the same roster.
Of those 3 positions team usually have at least one strength even if the other 2 suck, yet we have possibly the league's worst group at each position.
Heading into the 3rd year of the rebuild, how is that even possible?
We may be worse at the QB/WR/RB position than any other team in the league, and that is all on the same roster.
Of those 3 positions team usually have at least one strength even if the other 2 suck, yet we have possibly the league's worst group at each position.
Heading into the 3rd year of the rebuild, how is that even possible?
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 15, 2012 12:27am
becuase it was important to build the defense first through the draft..two drafts, and two of them for defense. it's not hard man, quit wigging out.IggyPride00;1116767 wrote:Saw this mentioned on the OBR, but it is kind of true as well as being mind boggling.
We may be worse at the QB/WR/RB position than any other team in the league, and that is all on the same roster.
Of those 3 positions team usually have at least one strength even if the other 2 suck, yet we have possibly the league's worst group at each position.
Heading into the 3rd year of the rebuild, how is that even possible?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 15, 2012 4:54am
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That was fun while it lasted. According to most reports, the Browns fell short in what proved to be an extraordinary trade to secure the services of Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III. Essentially giving away parts of three drafts, the Redskins proved to be more brazen than the Browns in their attempt to grab a franchise player. The ultimate price – a first round swap this year, two more future first round picks and a future second round pick – proved too costly to the Browns, who have committed to rebuilding through the draft. In the end, reality intervened – or perhaps was trumped by the delusional behavior of Daniel Snyder – as it’s worth remembering that Griffin is still an untested college spread quarterback who will need significant time to develop at the NFL level. Still, just the mere idea of the normally staid Browns being involved in such a high stakes chase offered some genuine offseason excitement. Now, as free agency is set to begin, such a feeling will likely wane. However, the entire Griffin escapade has also revealed much about the Browns’ future plans. The Colt McCoy Love Affair is Over Tom Heckert offered some GM-speak last week in defending the Browns’ embattled 2011 quarterback. “We’re not down on Colt McCoy, I want to make that clear.” However, the hidden meaning behind Heckert’s statement is that the Browns are not exactly “up” on the Texas QB either. The Browns’ participation in the Griffin sweepstakes was more than just exploratory, as reports have suggested Heckert balked at the inclusion of the second round pick. Regardless of the deal specifics, the Griffin chase signals that the Browns are in the market for a new quarterback. While clearly McCoy was not given the most ideal of circumstances in 2011 – considering countless dropped passes, injuries and a poor right side of the offensive line – he also showed a tendency to struggle with accuracy and often panicked into counterproductive check down throws. Additionally, McCoy has not shown the type of durability required of quality NFL quarterbacks. In each of his two NFL seasons, McCoy has missed three games. But then again, what else can Heckert say at this point? At the moment, McCoy is the Browns’ starting quarterback and could again assume similar duties to begin 2012. Intangible wise, McCoy is tough and has shown glimpses of being a quality leader. However, the Griffin chase could be construed as an attempt to either grab a top flight athlete or simply replace an inferior starter. The Browns Will Trade Up If not RG3, then who? The likeliest of college QB candidates are Texas A&M’s Ryan Tannenhill and Oklahoma State’s Brandon Weeden. Both players seem to be better fits for Pat Shurmur’s more traditional version of the West Coast Offense (i.e., neither quarterback will upset Shurmur’s delicate WCO balance in a manner similar to RG3’s unharnessed athletic ability.) Each quarterback does possess quality traits, though. Weeden has more experience than Tannenhill, but Tannenhill is a quality athlete who is still developing as a quarterback. Each displayed accuracy in college while operating in pass happy attacks. Of course, the key with drafting any quarterback is the transition the player makes from throwing to wide open receivers in college to finding the end spots of designated routes in the pros. Such a transition is extremely difficult for young NFL quarterbacks. Griffin will face a huge challenge is adapting to a professional offense – regardless of his transcendent athletic skills. Andrew Luck’s main selling point is that he already possesses these skills. McCoy’s Texas offense featured wide open looks, while Shurmur’s offense – like any other – is predicated on finding a spot on the field. As to how either Tannenhill or Weeden will adjust to this NFL reality is unknown. Such a skill is seemingly innate, yet enhanced by coaching. However, the reality is that each quarterback is viewed as a consolation prize to teams unable to draft either Griffin or Andrew Luck. Both Tannenhill and Weeden are clearly unfinished products, yet each will still cost the Browns. Knowing the value annually placed on quarterbacks and remembering 2011’s exceptional first round QB run, both Tannenhill and Weeden’s value will be inflated next month, meaning both players will be off the board by the 11th pick. Unless one player is selected with the fourth overall pick, a trade up from the 22nd pick could be in the works. Citing Heckert’s two-year history in Cleveland, the Browns’ GM has shown a pattern of doing such a thing. In 2010, Heckert moved up to grab running back Montario Hardesty and gave away a third round pick last year to select defensive tackle Phil Taylor. In the case of either quarterback – assuming that the fourth overall pick is used on another player – a similar move could be made. The Browns Could Trade Down Or, Heckert could pull off a second consecutive trade down. “We feel very comfortable being at four,” Heckert said. “We feel very comfortable moving back and getting more picks.” In 2011, Heckert’s trade down was among the more dramatic moves in recent Browns’ history. Atlanta’s desire to grab wide receiver Julio Jones netted the Browns five total picks, but also dropped Heckert to the 27th overall pick. This year, a potential trade down will likely not be as severe. Assuming that Tannenhill is indeed a top ten prospect – or if another team calls on Heckert for another player, the Browns could move down anywhere from the 8th to 11th overall pick. Surrounding the Browns this year are quarterback-needy teams in Miami (8th pick), Kansas City (11th pick) and Seattle (12th pick). Also intriguing are the prospects the Rams – newly flushed with picks – could provide. Trading out of the first four picks places the Rams away from prime prospects in Matt Kalil and Justin Blackmon. What’s Old is New Again According to Heckert, “you don’t win football games by signing a bunch of free agents.” Admittedly, everything in Heckert’s Cleveland past suggests that a new quarterback will arrive via the draft. However, the prospect of the Browns landing a free agent quarterback is at least a distant possibility. Matt Flynn is the prize of free agency, at least based on his two starts in four seasons in Green Bay. Of course, Flynn is an incredibly risky gamble – considering that he could be the epitome of a system quarterback. Yet a Flynn signing would dramatically change the Browns’ early draft plans. Instead of another Heckert trade, the Browns could stay put at each of their first round spots. In this scenario, help could be added to a number of problem spots, including wide receiver, right tackle, defensive end, outside linebacker, cornerback and free safety. Or, Flynn could be swapped with Arizona’s Kevin Kolb – a former Eagle with Heckert ties. Kolb, whose name has been tossed around Cleveland for two years, will likely be dealt by the Cardinals in the event of a Peyton Manning signing. Or, it’s possible that the Cardinals go with John Skelton and try to rid themselves of Kolb’s hefty free agent contract. Either way, Kolb to Cleveland is not the most exhilarating of possibilities. Kolb benefitted from excellent offensive talent in Philadelphia, but has struggled in Arizona. Kolb’s signing would represent a worst case scenario – one that would clear up the Browns’ draft plans, but not offer much in the way of genuine excitement. http://cle.scout.com/2/1167895.html |
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 15, 2012 5:08am
Supposedly Matt Flynn to Cleveland is all but dead.
Flynn is having the opposite effect. Teams are backing off. Cleveland is taking
a pass, preferring instead to consider taking Texas A&M quarterback Ryan
Tannehill with the fourth pick in the draft. That's interesting.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-hyde-miami-dolphins-free-agency-0315-20120314,0,6910608.column
Have no idea if this is true...
# ESPNCleveland reported it. # Cleveland would move from 4
to 6 and receive # StLouis's Two 2nd Rounders Picks 33 &
39 Via # Washington
These are the teams that would like to move up to #4...St. Louis, Seattle, Dallas, Miami or Buffalo
Flynn is having the opposite effect. Teams are backing off. Cleveland is taking
a pass, preferring instead to consider taking Texas A&M quarterback Ryan
Tannehill with the fourth pick in the draft. That's interesting.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-hyde-miami-dolphins-free-agency-0315-20120314,0,6910608.column
Have no idea if this is true...
# ESPNCleveland reported it. # Cleveland would move from 4
to 6 and receive # StLouis's Two 2nd Rounders Picks 33 &
39 Via # Washington
These are the teams that would like to move up to #4...St. Louis, Seattle, Dallas, Miami or Buffalo
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 15, 2012 5:26am
This one is for Tooth...the Browns came away "wowwed" by Justin Blackmon (unlike how they felt about Julio Jones) so don't discount the WR being taken at 4.
As far as the trade down from #4 goes, if they do, the price will be EXTREMELY significant.
The Browns did reach out to the agent for Laurent Robinson but he was well on his way to signing with Jax.
Browns have inquired about the availability of one agents two clients (no names given). I think the frustration a lot of us are having is that we're not hearing names. The Browns try to keep complete secrecy so they will have a competitve advantage. For instance, Frostee Rucker....that came out of nowhere. I think they like to have these deals close to done so another team doesn't swoop in, out of nowhere, and grab the targeted FA. As most of us know, Cleveland isn't exactly a "hot spot" for free agents.
As far as the trade down from #4 goes, if they do, the price will be EXTREMELY significant.
The Browns did reach out to the agent for Laurent Robinson but he was well on his way to signing with Jax.
Browns have inquired about the availability of one agents two clients (no names given). I think the frustration a lot of us are having is that we're not hearing names. The Browns try to keep complete secrecy so they will have a competitve advantage. For instance, Frostee Rucker....that came out of nowhere. I think they like to have these deals close to done so another team doesn't swoop in, out of nowhere, and grab the targeted FA. As most of us know, Cleveland isn't exactly a "hot spot" for free agents.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Mar 15, 2012 6:54am
I wonder if there is any chance that Blackmon is there at #6 if they trade down? Hasselbeck to Blackmon.....sounds delightful for a year.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Mar 15, 2012 7:01am
I would love to trade down to 6 and get both the rams 2nd rounders. It would definitely help us stock pike on talent
goblue44688
Posts: 29
Mar 15, 2012 7:11am
If I am the Browns, I am taking 6, 33 and 39 for 4. I'd even consider trading down from 6 and getting more picks.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Mar 15, 2012 7:14am
I would love Floyd at 22 or sanu. I think they are pretty close in talent to Blackmon. Claiborne might still be there at 6 too
goblue44688
Posts: 29
Mar 15, 2012 7:20am
Claiborne probably goes 5 to Tampa...
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 15, 2012 7:41am
Or Richardson to Tampagoblue44688;1116900 wrote:Claiborne probably goes 5 to Tampa...
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 15, 2012 8:01am
If claiborne is there at #5, Tampa will go crazy. I would think they'd really want Claiborne, esp with the RBs that will be available in the 2nd.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 15, 2012 8:01am
LOL...Dumbass Chuck Booms in full effect this morning. He rides Peyton Hillis' nuts hard and was pissed that the Browns didn't even try to make a counteroffer on Hillis 1 year/$3 million. Went as far as to say Lerner is intentionally losing to spite his dead father, who he hated, and is only using the Browns as a "tax writeoff" for Aston Villa.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 15, 2012 8:01am
It would have costed us 3 first round picks to move from #4 to #2, but we're only going to get two second round picks to move from #4 to #6?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 15, 2012 8:06am
Looks like Texans wont trade Tate.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 15, 2012 8:08am
That's ESPN's rumor. I call bullshit. After the way STL played the Skins & the Browns against each other, I bet it would be more. Supposedly both parties (WASH/CLE) were pissed how STL dealt with them. Cleveland may not be interested in dealing with STL, period, unless the deal is super sweet.SportsAndLady;1116906 wrote:It would have costed us 3 first round picks to move from #4 to #2, but we're only going to get two second round picks to move from #4 to #6?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 15, 2012 8:12am
That's the price of a QB. No QB there, thus the cost goes down. Nature of the beast.SportsAndLady;1116906 wrote:It would have costed us 3 first round picks to move from #4 to #2, but we're only going to get two second round picks to move from #4 to #6?
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Mar 15, 2012 8:21am
So I am the browns for a completely unrealistic draft on another forum. So far I have taken 4. Claibourn 22. Wright 37. Zach Brown. I considered Vinny Curry and David Wilson at 37. I also considered Stehpen Hill at 22.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Mar 15, 2012 8:24am
BR1986FB;1116887 wrote:Supposedly Matt Flynn to Cleveland is all but dead.
Flynn is having the opposite effect. Teams are backing off. Cleveland is taking
a pass, preferring instead to consider taking Texas A&M quarterback Ryan
Tannehill with the fourth pick in the draft. That's interesting.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-hyde-miami-dolphins-free-agency-0315-20120314,0,6910608.column
Have no idea if this is true...
# ESPNCleveland reported it. # Cleveland would move from 4
to 6 and receive # StLouis's Two 2nd Rounders Picks 33 &
39 Via # Washington
These are the teams that would like to move up to #4...St. Louis, Seattle, Dallas, Miami or Buffalo
I like all of this.BR1986FB;1116888 wrote:This one is for Tooth...the Browns came away "wowwed" by Justin Blackmon (unlike how they felt about Julio Jones) so don't discount the WR being taken at 4.
As far as the trade down from #4 goes, if they do, the price will be EXTREMELY significant.
The Browns did reach out to the agent for Laurent Robinson but he was well on his way to signing with Jax.
Browns have inquired about the availability of one agents two clients (no names given). I think the frustration a lot of us are having is that we're not hearing names. The Browns try to keep complete secrecy so they will have a competitve advantage. For instance, Frostee Rucker....that came out of nowhere. I think they like to have these deals close to done so another team doesn't swoop in, out of nowhere, and grab the targeted FA. As most of us know, Cleveland isn't exactly a "hot spot" for free agents.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Mar 15, 2012 8:35am
Hmm, that doesnt make much sense. Fosters an every down back, why the need for a good back up when they can possibly get a 2nd out of him?Commander of Awesome;1116909 wrote:Looks like Texans wont trade Tate.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 15, 2012 8:39am
Injuries. Foster hasn't proven the ability to stay healthy. That was his knock in college as well.
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Sonofanump
Mar 15, 2012 8:56am
I don't think that is a bad deal, maybe they could get more. Would you rather have RGIII or:BR1986FB;1116887 wrote:# ESPNCleveland reported it. # Cleveland would move from 4
to 6 and receive # StLouis's Two 2nd Rounders Picks 33 &
39 Via # Washington
These are the teams that would like to move up to #4...St. Louis, Seattle, Dallas, Miami or Buffalo
#6, #22, #33, #37, #39 and no first rounder next year? #6 could be Blackmon, Claiborne, Richardson,