Dr. KnOiTaLL;1335159 wrote:I agree that Weeden played less than spectacular. Something interesting to ponder, however, is that through 12 games: Brandon Weeden "sucks" and Andrew Luck is "phenomenal" in most people's eyes. However, statistically, Luck and Weeden each have 16 INT's through 12 games, and Weeden is actually completing a higher percentage of passes than Luck (57.04% to 55.47%).

Now, anyone would agree that Luck is a better QB than Weeden, and the gap will be pretty significant when all is said and done, but keep in mind that Weeden is a rookie with a horrible offensive coordinator and head coach. The important thing is that despite his poor performance, he still found a way to drive down the field with the game on the line and punch it in the end zone to get the win. Hopefully, with a new and hopefully better coach next year, he will progress further and make some strides to push us into playoff contention.

Mulva;1335184 wrote:Weeden has had all day to throw all year though. Luck has had to make plays under pressure all season.

That's the biggest difference for me. Luck is missing plays because he's tried to force things with a pocket collapsing. Weeden has been missing things just because he's missing them. Luck also goes downfield much more often, while Weeden has assumed the role of captain checkdown (T-Rich leading the team in receptions).

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1335191 wrote:I agree to an extent. Part of that also comes from the west coast system (look at LeSean McCoy in Philly) and part of it also comes from having young and inconsistent wide receivers. It's just like a lot of rookies and their TE's. It's a security blanket. Luck certainly takes more shots downfield, but that's a much bigger part of their offense than it is of the west coast offense. The point I was trying to make and that I've been trying to make all season is that even though he's old, Weeden is still a rookie and there will be a learning curve, even if a normal 29 year old would have reached the learning curve by now.

Pick6;1335203 wrote:If we are comparing numbers, McCoy has better numbers than Weeden through each of their first 12 games of their careers.

The more I watch, the more Weeden is DA 2.0

Midstate01;1335298 wrote:I don't dislike McCoy but its funny that people compare these two. McCoy can't throw a pass over 25 yards. Weeden makes mistakes, too many, but they're usually on throws down the field that McCoy never even looked for. He was too busy dumping it off to the rb after 2 seconds.

Pick6;1335503 wrote:You are aware T-rich is leading the team in receptions this season, arent you?

And enough with the damn myth about Weeden airing it out so much more than McCoy,
Weeden's YPA- 6.51
McCoy's YPA- 6.36

Weeden ranks 28th and yard per attempt.

Midstate01;1335531 wrote:You watch the game right?? If you don't SEE the difference, then you're crazy.

Midstate01;1335531 wrote:You watch the game right?? If you don't SEE the difference, then you're crazy.

Pick6;1335535 wrote:The difference you think you see is mostly a myth. The numbers dont lie.

Commander of Awesome;1335537 wrote:Well I dont know about the myth, but I know I see Weeden make a 44 yd bomb that Colt McCoy couldn't do.

Commander of Awesome;1335537 wrote:Well I dont know about the myth, but I know I see Weeden make a 44 yd bomb that Colt McCoy couldn't do.

Commander of Awesome;1335537 wrote:Well I dont know about the myth, but I know I see Weeden make a 44 yd bomb that Colt McCoy couldn't do.

Crimson streak;1335540 wrote:Agreed. I like weedons skill set he just needs to work on his decision making and accuracy. I'm definitely willing to give him another year for the simple he can make some great throws. I'm hoping he can put it all together next year and actually be a solid qb.

Pick6;1335503 wrote:You are aware T-rich is leading the team in receptions this season, arent you?

And enough with the damn myth about Weeden airing it out so much more than McCoy,
Weeden's YPA- 6.51
McCoy's YPA- 6.36

Weeden ranks 28th and yard per attempt.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1336012 wrote:Actually, taking more shots down the field isn't necessarily going to give you a higher YPA if the passes aren't complete. Completing short passes and getting yards for each of those passes will build your YPA while throwing an incomplete deep ball won't. However, you are correct in that the statistics don't lie, so check this out. In 2011, Colt McCoy attempted 32 passes over 20 yards in 13 games. In 2012, Weeden has attempted 41 passes over 20 yards in 12 games, and average of 3.42 attempts over 20 yards per game. With that in mind, if Weeden's average holds true, he will have attempted 44+ passes over 20 yards in 13 games compared to McCoy's 32 attempts over 20 yards (which happens to be the lowest number in the NFL). That is an increase of 37.5%.

Just some food for thought. Links are listed below to where I got my statistics.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/10/going-deep/

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonweeden/2532970/situationalstats

shook_17;1336067 wrote:saw some reports saying Mike Lombardi to Cleveland as GM is almost a done deal? SMH if that **** goes down. I might not renew my season tickets, that dude is a joke.

shook_17;1336067 wrote:saw some reports saying Mike Lombardi to Cleveland as GM is almost a done deal? SMH if that shit goes down. I might not renew my season tickets, that dude is a joke.